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Re: [ST] Cross-references found! WAS-> Need alternative oil filt er alternatives
- Subject: Re: [ST] Cross-references found! WAS-> Need alternative oil filt er alternatives
- From: Craig Tate <craigtt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:09:21 -0400
Eric (or is it Robert?)
I think many of us care. That's why we bought a specific motorcycle and
why we run particularly branded fuel, lubricants, tires, air filters,
etc. If you're happy with FRAM, I don't particularly care, but it would be
difficult to convince me that FRAM makes a quality filter (I've had one
rupture and I've seen cutaways of a number of brands).
Craig
At 02:28 PM 8/14/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>ROTFLMAO !!!!
>
>This thread kills me. It comes up on EVERY list regarding EVERY bike
>EVERY six months :-) :-) :-)
>
>As far as filter quality is concerned, yes there are differences, and yes,
>some are better than others, but if you're changing them frequently and
>using a quality oil, WHO REALLY CARES :-) :-) :-)
>
>You will NEVER convince me that Triumph is building an engine that is
>considerably more complex with tighter tolerances than the Japanese,
>thereby requiring a "special" filter and "special" oil. Admittedly,
>there are people out there who like to FEEL "special", so by all means,
>drop the big dollars and sleep better at night. FWIW, I know the Yamaha
>FZ-1 filter is of high quality; we had a guy on the list tear one down
>and compare it to some "off the shelf" brands, and while the FZ-1 part was
>clearly better made, the overall difference was relatively
>negligible. Its not like I'm going to pee in the crank case and stuff a
>napkin in the filter hole. its a good filter that I can get cheap at a
>dealership less than 5 minutes away. Which brings me to my next point:
>
>It is not my responsibility to keep my dealer in business: its HIS.
>In order to win my business, they must offer me quality parts and service
>at a competitive price. I caved on tires and an oil change this time due
>to convenience and timing, and I'm having my dealer do the work. I doubt
>it will ever happen again. Modern bikes are designed to be easy to work
>on (with certain exceptions like Goldwings, of course, but they almost
>never break:-). The only way to guarantee more service traffic through
>the dealerships is to either make bikes hopelessly complex (at which
>customers will balk) or extend the warranty. If your bike had a 3-5 year
>warranty, most people would take it to the dealer for almost
>EVERYTHING. Of course, the manufacturers aren't quite that confident in
>their product, and only a few (Triumph included) offer anything but a one
>year deal. I don't see many people buying extended service agreements, so
>the average rider must have some confidence in their ability to handle
>issues as they crop up.
>
>Don't get me wrong, I like my dealer. They seem like reasonably nice
>people that care about what they do. But they're 45 minutes away on a
>good day, and I can't just run out there whenever I please. I can snap
>off an oil change for half the price in a fraction of the time, picking up
>the materials when I'm out shopping for important things like food.
>If this puts my dealer out of business, so be it. I'll just buy another
>bike next time. Its a machine; I'll get over it. If all the bike
>dealerships disappear, then I'll find another ridiculous/expensive
>diversion. I doubt that will happen; someone will find a business model
>that works. Those that can't adapt will be doomed to failure.
>
>I mean, its OK to "love" your bike; just don't LOVE you bike... :-)
>
>As an aside: A very close friend of mine runs the Fram plant in
>Dayton. The largest part of their business is OEM. Well, that and fleet
>trucks (higher margins). I forget what his customer list is, but chances
>are good that, if its built here, has an engine, and carries passengers,
>its got a Fram in it.
>
>Peace !
>
>Eric.
>
>
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