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RE: [ST] ST vs VFR and Sports tourers



Got any links to info on it?



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From: Erik Miner [mailto:eeminer@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:46 AM
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ST] ST vs VFR and Sports tourers



May want to check out the soon ( August-Sept) to be released all new BMW 
K1200 S  it will be one hot number.. 100lbs lighter than the current model 
( should be about 525 wet) with 150hp and a truely revolutionary suspension 
design.

Erik



At 02:21 AM 4/28/2004, you wrote:
>As part of my PP (prolonged procastination) over whether to trade in my 
>01 ST for a 04, or tart up the 01 (pipe, sprockets etc) (or trat up a 
>04) or wait for a new model 05, I thought it would be good to 
>re-acquaint myself with the Sports Tourer market.
>
>I have been trying to get a test ride on a Duc ST4 for months. Can they 
>be that good or are Duc just useless?
>
>Last w/e I had the chance to take a VFR out on a Honda track day. Its 
>been 3.5 years since I rode one and I must say that it seems to me no 
>longer applicable to compare VFRs with Triumph STs. Apples with apples 
>so to speak. Why? Because IMHO the VFR is now effectively a sports bike 
>with an option of hard panniers. With the Vtec its more like riding a 
>2-stroke than a smooth sports-TOURER (my emphasis). Plus, the throttle 
>is hopelessly twitchy so at 'low revs' (effectievly anything below 8k) 
>its truely horrible. Perhaps you get used to it, but on a wet track the 
>VFRs (way) superior handling was completely nullified by the twitchy 
>throttle. I'm told they are all like that? In comparison my 16k km ST 
>was like silk after the VFR so track times were no different.
>
>The VFR handling/cornering makes the bog-standard ST feel like a 
>wallowing hog and the VFRs finish/electronics are very good. The 
>underseat exhuast allows no underseat storage.
>
>All in all it made me conclude that if I want a (balanced) 
>Sports-Tourer I'll stick with the ST and upgrade the suspension on my 
>01 or 04 or even 05 if Triumph don't get the message. Having said that, 
>if the recent speculative MCN article on the 05 ST is correct, and they 
>have not upgraded the suspension, then it will be such a huge 
>anti-climax that I'm not sure I'll want another ST because of Triumphs 
>ignorance in not listening to its customers. Where's that Duc dealers 
>number again ;)
>
>Barry
>01 BRG ST
>
>
>
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