Re: [ST] Accidents (was (mandatory jail (was IDIOTS))

[Rolo Casos <onerolo@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

That is the problem, it should be a crime.  It is criminal negligence 
when lack of care kills someone.  Civil courts are a  joke, the only 
ones that make out are the lawyers at the end, and insurance company 
lawyers work very hard to screw victims out of restitution.  In the 
mean time, the idiot that kills someone hardly feels any punishment, 
because they pay their $40 a month in insurance.  There is practically 
nothing to make people think about taking their driving 
responsibilities seriously.  Maybe if we faced the possibility of time 
in jail for killing someone with our carelessness, we might care about 
how we drive a little more.

Rolo
'01 Sprint ST


On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:24 AM, david.funk@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> As you say "And we should be liable for screw ups. "
> That is what civil courts are for, and they work very well in this 
> country.
> Jail is for crime.
>
> David W. Funk
> Pleasanton, CA
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > I can not disagree more, The whole idea of accident does not apply to
> > 95% of car Vs. pedestrian, biker or motorcyclist incidents. These are
> > not "accidents" , they are MISTAKES and drivers need to be responsible
> > for their mistakes, specially when they kill somebody. Imagine that
> > for some weird reason you have to walk out of your house with a
> > machine gun on hand, finger on the trigger pointing it at everyone
> > around you, how careful would you have to be if you had to walk around
> > town like this? Well, as silly as this sounds, driving a car is not
> > much different. Every minute on the road you have the potential of
> > killing somebody and you should take that seriously. If you did not,
> > and didn't bother to hang up you cell before driving, or taking a GOOD
> > look before crossing traffic, or drive too fast for conditions and
> > equipment you are on, or Drink and drive, or drive so tired you fall
> > sleep, it is not an accident, it is a screw up. And we should be 
> > liable
> > for screw ups. We have to be made responsible for not giving enough of
> > a shit about people that share the roads with us. Now lets say you
> > drive over a nail and blow a front tire in the freeway and loose
> > control, now that is an accident, but how many of these kinds of
> > incidents have taken the lives of our friends, compared to the idiot
> > that just blew a stop. I personally am sick of watching people get
> > away with murder. We have to try to make a change on the current laws.
> >
> > Rolo
> > '01 Sprint
> >
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:24 PM, Steve Bergman wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with David. I am sorry for the loss of friends in senseless
> > > tragic
> > > accidents and I am always extra sad when I read about losses posted 
> > > on
> > > this
> > > list.
> > >
> > > But...please remember that the way our country has structured itself
> > > encourages
> > > dependency on driving cars. The average person cannot function
> > > without owning
> > > and operating a car and that means that there are a lot of average
> > > people out
> > > there driving around. Humans in general are accident prone and when
> > > you are
> > > hurtling down a road at the helm of a 2000lb hunk of metal a small
> > > distraction
> > > can lead to disaster. I don't think that makes the operator a 
> > > criminal.
> > >
> > > It's one thing if someone is drunk or flagrantly disregarding the law
> > > but I'm
> > > sorry....a person can accidentally run a stop sign or pull into 
> > > traffic
> > > thinking it's clear when it's not....still just accidents and not
> > > crimes.
> > >
> > > When you factor in that we are operating a vehicle that is much
> > > smaller and
> > > faster than 90something percent of what the average driver is looking
> > > at then
> > > accidents are even more likely.
> > >
> > > Think how quickly most accidents happen then think about how many
> > > times your
> > > eyes are not directly in front of you when you're driving. One quick
> > > glance
> > > left, right or anywhere else is enough time for the unexpected to
> > > happen...does
> > > that make you a criminal?
> > >
> > > My thoughts and regards to all who have suffered a loss.
> > >
> > > Steve Bergman
> > >
> > >
> > > --- david.funk@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > I disagree!
> > > > I don't think having an ACCIDENT should mean mandatory jail.
> > > > I think we must accept that bad things can happen.
> > > >
> > > > But an accident is NOT a drunk driver, running a stop sign, or other
> > > > avoidable things.
> > > >
> > > > David W. Funk
> > > > Pleasanton, CA
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > >
> > > > > At 12:03 PM 8/9/2005 - 
> > > > > st-triumphnet.com-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > offered:
> > > > > > Last year a drunk pickup truck driver (.12 IIRC) killed a rider
> > > > > > last year
> > > > > > and messed up the passenger petty badly near my daughter's house.
> > > > > > All he
> > > > > > got was a slap on the wrist!
> > > > >
> > > > > I think *we* are partly to blame for not making our wishes known to
> > > > > our
> > > > > various state representatives and the AMA by supporting a mandatory
> > > > > jail
> > > > > sentence for anyone killing others on the road. As it stands
> > > > > currently
> > > > > there is no such law on the books, hence sentences are light. We
> > > > > need a
> > > > > MADD equivalent for motorcyclists, instead most m/c riders just
> > > > > don't care
> > > > > to get involved in politics. But that is what is really needed.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken T. from Ca.
> > > > >
> > > > > After your hands become coated with grease, your nose will begin to
> > > > > itch.
> > > > > - --Lorenz's Law of Mechanical Repair
> > > > >
> > > > > 95' Trident, 99' Triumph Sprint ST, 02' Bonneville
> > > > > http://www.labiker.com/members/index.php?cc63d31418542
> > > > >
> > > > >
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