Re: RE: [ST] Steering Article

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The slower the speed the more effective body steering or weighting becomes.  Ask any trials rider...

But out on the loop, they are still using countersteering.

Dave Bardell
01 ST
04 Gas Gas  

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Big Riff [mailto:big_riff@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 3/9/2005 3:26:00 PM
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ST] Steering Article

> Thanks Richard,
> 
> This article makes a lot more sense.  The Popular Mechanics article didn't 
> mention countersteering at all, so I was equating "body steering" with 
> counter steering and thinking they were arguing against it.  My mistake, but 
> still a poorly written article from a motorcyclist's point of view.  I 
> didn't know there was such a debate over the "body steering" technique.  
> This could be seriously confusing for a non-motorcyclist....
> 
> John in NJ
> '01 BRG ST
> 
> 
> >From: "Masiak, Richard" <Richard_Masiak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: <ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: RE: [ST] Steering Article
> >Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:16:40 -0500
> >
> >The brief article you've mentioned is doing just that - state that 
> >countersteering is the proper way to turn a motorcycle.  There's more info 
> >at http://www.superbikeschool.com/machinery/no-bs-machine.php about the 
> >training bike in question.
> >
> >I can say from first hand experience that if I didn't countersteer the 
> >motorcycle I'd never had stayed on the race track for very long.  Body 
> >steering doesn't work (plain and simple) because it can't over come the 
> >natural laws of physics by which the motorcycle operates.  It's worse the 
> >faster the motorcycle is going.
> >
> >I'm sure that we on the list are knowledgable experienced motorcyclists.  
> >But I tell you what.  If anyone out there doesn't believe in counter 
> >steering.  Going 65 MPH and having to execute a turn whose posted speed 
> >limit is 25 MPH just shifting your body weight without any input whatsoever 
> >to the handle bars, is not possible.  Physics will not allow it.
> >
> >DISCLAIMER:  I am in no way shape or form telling anyone out there to do 
> >this because it is not possible.  I am stating a fact based on physical 
> >laws.  I have never tried such a feat (because I'm smart enough to know 
> >better), nor do I intend to provoke anyone else to try such a feat.
> >
> >Rich
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Big
> >Riff
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:32 PM
> >To: st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [ST] Steering Article
> >
> >
> >Not directly Sprint related, but has anyone seen this article?
> >
> >http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/motor_cycles/1268501.html
> >
> >
> >Not a whole lot of info about the actual experiment, but I'm not sure I get
> >what he's trying to prove - that you actually have to turn the bars to make
> >a motorcycle steer?
> >
> >I'm interested in any comments.  Thanks!
> >
> >John in NJ
> >'01 BRG ST
> >
> >
> >
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