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RE: [ST] ABS



So then is ABS on motorcycles a good thing or a bad thing?  OR 
Is this one of those subjective arguments like what oil to use or break-in techniques?

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Quoting Emile Nossin <Emile@xxxxxxxxxx>:

> >From: simonb@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >don't think ABS would have made any difference, most ABS systems come in
> far
> >too early for maximum breaking.
>
> Well, that's not true in my experience and contrast to every ABS test I
> read.
> ABS, even when cycling fully, will nowadays (but also on my '92
> ST1100ABSTCS),
> especially in the wet, give you more deceleration (and without locking)
> than any human can try to accomplish in real life (especially panic
> situations).

Lardy tourers and Harleys would probably do well with ABS. But there is still
no substitute for experience. Technology in itself won't help.

Good article on that here.

http://www.unfallrekonstruktion.de/pdf/vuf_1993_motorcycle_englisch.pdf

But it's a bit OTT.

> I had ABS on my R1150GS which was a bit clunky but still able to brake
> harder
> than I could ever do (without locking up first).

My mates first complaint was exactly the same thing. "I thought this ABS was
supposed to make you stop quicker" that was just after the GSXR1000 in front
of him had stopped moving and the GS rider was picking himself up off the
ground. THe front wheel washed out sideways under heaavy breaking with ABS.
ABS only works in the forwards direction. If under heavy breaking the front
whhel want's to move sideways it still will, thus  dumping you on the deck.

"All I can remember about ABS is having no brakes due to the road conditions.
And then the front sliding away."

 I let on other, also very
> experienced, friends on the GS with the order to get the ABS activated on
> the
> front, while braking on dry asphalt. The first 3 times they couldn't get it
> on,
> the fear of locking up was initially too big. Here's an interesting test,
> even though it's quite old already:
> http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/abstests.html
>
> But in this case the maximum braking is not the issue, it's the bunch
> or riders you see making skid marks and a couple where you actually see
> them washing the front out from under them before they actually even
> hit the guy in front of them. Maybe they would have still hit the guy,
> if they'd had ABS. But that would be after they had a chance to decelerate
> more, so with less speed, which greatly reduces kinetic energy to prevent
> more serious injury. Sliding over the asphalt (especially in jeans and
> sneakers) at high speed before you even had a chance to start braking
> properly isn't going to improve any healing process...
>
> >They appear to be comming over a blind crest. Then realising they 30 ft to
> >stop. It's the Harley I like. It just plows straight on regardless.
>
> Looks like a bridge, a sort of crest indeed. I guess they flew over the
> bridge high speed, with little forward view because it's blocked by all
> the bikes. Those first few bikes really went ballistic, wow. Do you know
> how many were hurt? Anybody killed?
>
> Emile
> www.piloot.com
>
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