Re: [ST] Emile discussion w/Rich (about counter rotating brakes)

[Stephen <stephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

check out this link whuch shows countersteering in action.  The front 
wheel is pointed opposite the turn. 

http://www.ibike.com.hk/03_knowledges/countersteering/01.jpg


Emile Nossin wrote:

>>From: Masiak, Richard
>>Are you sure about that?  If I'm not mistaken, when I want to turn my
>>bike left I push on my left handle bar. Doesn't that in turn make the
>>front wheel point to the right thus making the bike lean over to the left?
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>Yep.. I thought that's what I said too.
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>>Now what you are saying, and I've seen other descriptions say the same, is
>>that the bike is going in the direction pointed to by the front wheel. But
>>that contradicts the pushing on the left handle bar to turn left idea.
>>But I know that's exactly what I do.  So what am I missing here?
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>Ehmm... let's just say it's not so black and white. Ride straight, turn
>bar left, bike goes left while falling over right, while falling over to
>right the bar and front wheel will fall and turn (due to precession and trail)
>also to the right. If you hold this moment off, it will keep on banking / falling
>more and more. Once in the bank the front wheel will stay pointed towards
>direction of turn. In the countersteering process the bike is not really
>in the turn yet, it's merely banking. Only once the lean is set in, the wheel
>will point towards the turn, which also prevents it from falling over more.
>Is that more clear like that?
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>>Consciously try it today.  Drive down the road at a safe speed and push on the
>>left handle bar.  I'll bet the bike starts over left.  Push on the right handle
>>bar.  I'll bet the bike starts over right.  Note the direction the front wheel
>>is pointing.  I'll bet it's pointing opposite the turn/lean.
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>Yes, WHILE you are rolling towards the lean it will be pointing the way you
>pushed it (so indeed opposite of the turn that will follow shortl after!).
>Practice it on a curve or on a parking lot though. Because once the lean is
>stable, the front wheel will always point towards the direction of turn / circle.
>So there is a CHANGE of direction of the front wheel in the whole banking process.
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>Emile
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