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Re: [ST] Scottoiler



Quoting Emile Nossin <Emile@xxxxxxxxxx>:

I use the Scotoiler. Mainly because ?I've not tested the others and the
Scotoiler is very reliable.

> >From: iPat
> >i have a milenium edition...hee hee hee...ST and the scotoiler is
> >fitted ok.
> >seriously, no problems at all, has its limitations - only one side of
> >the chain is oiled and Emile will pop up with an alternative any
> >moment and a good url where he has pictures
> >(http://piloot.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/64036)
> > >>> dave_r1150rt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 11/12/2006 07:33:48 >>>
> > Have just bought a 2001 Sprint RS.
> > Want to fit a Scottoiler chain lube ststem? Anyone ever done it, any
> > problems.
>
> Scottoiler and Triumphs have a history of vacuum connected problems,
> at least according to the scottoiler site:
> http://www.scottoiler.com/newsdetail.asp?newsID=25
>
> There are two alternatives I would consider if I were you that are,
> in my opinion, much better than the scottoiler. There is the pro-oiler
> (as mentioned by iPat, see link above) made by an English guy living
> in Belgium, as well as the German CLS Chain Lubrication System.
> I have not had a scottoiler myself. I had a pro-oiler on my Sprint ST
> and have now mounted myself a CLS Speed on my TDM900A:
> http://piloot.smugmug.com/gallery/1862088
>
> Here's a comparison of the three systems:
>
>
> Scottoiler www.scottoiler.com
> - Connects to vacuum system of bike to determine engine running.
> - Drip is done by gravity
> - Drip rate is dependent on flow screw
> - No density / rate correction for speed, temperature change or weather
>
> Pro-oiler www.pro-oiler.com
> - Connects to battery and electronic speedo (or reed switch) to determine
>   engine running and speed
> - Drip is done by electric oil pump
> - Drip rate is regulated and corrected automatically by electronics
>   (which determines the operating sequence of the oil pump) and can be
>   adjusted while riding with electronic control in dash
> - Automatic correction for speed, temperature. Weather correction (rain,
>   dust, salt) can, if needed, be done with control box in the dashboard /
>   on steering bar
>
> CLS Speed / CLS 200 www.cls200.de / www.cls200.com (English)
> - Connects to battery and reed switch (speed version) to determine
>   engine running and speed
> - Drip is done by gravity
> - Drip rate is regulated and corrected automatically by electronics
>   (which determines opening sequence of a magnetic switch-valve in the
>   control box) and can, if needed, be adjusted with a turn knob in dash
> - Automatic correction for speed, temperature. Weather correction (rain,
>   dust, salt) can, if needed, be done with control box in the dashboard
>   (or elsewhere on the bike)
>
> The main difference between both pro-oiler and CLS compared to the
> scottoiler,
> as you can see, is that they both correct for temperature and (CLS Speed
> version) also for speed. These corrections have a significant effect on the
> efficiency of the oilers, in comparison with the much more primitive
> scottoiler.
>
> As an example, the viscosity of the oil, when the temperature outside
> changes
> from 10 to 30 degrees Celsius (not very uncommon to happen within a few
> hours
> when riding in the mountains or on very clear summer days), changes 410%!
> Even when the temperature changes from just 20 to 25 degrees C the oil flow
> in a scottoiler will double. If you are riding up mountain passes there is
> a big chance that a scottoiler won't drip anything anymore when higher up
> because of the temperature decrease.
>
> The same story about the speed of course. A scottoiler will drip X times
> per minute, whether it's splitting lanes at 30 km/h (or even standing still)
> or riding the Autobahn towards those Alps at 180 km/h. Dutch police have
> used scottoilers (on Honda Transalp and such), but the guys end up with
> a puddle of oil anytime they've finished writing their fines (engine and
> radio still on).
>
> The effect of the inefficiency of the scottoiler can easily been seen in
> the oil usage (depending on settings and weather). If you have the huge
> High Capacity Reservoir from scottoiler (400cc, almost a half liter bottle),
> which usually is mounted externally behind the number plate because of its
> size, you will have enough oil for 6000 to 12000 km. The CLS 200 / CLS speed
> has a choice of bottles; 150ml / 250ml / 500ml. The 500 ml (also filled up
> with around 400cc) will last ca. 22000 km. So that's 2 to 4 times longer
> with the same oil! That translates into a much cleaner rear wheel, no oil
> puddles under the bike and a small 250ml bottle under the saddle (the one
> I'm using now) which should last at least 10.000 km (for the CLS). The CLS
> package includes a liter of specially selected and tested oil which should
> last around 50.000 km. I'm guessing that most scottoiler users are afraid
> of running their chain dry and will set it too rich to be sure, so in
> practice the oil usage might even be higher (I guess... don't know though).
>
> So with a Pro-oiler or CLS (Speed) system you have the following advantages:
> - Oil lasts around 3 times longer
> - Cleaner rear wheel
> - No oil puddles
> - No running out of oil during mountain riding
> - No running out of oil when the evening starts cooling the air
> - Not oil waste when riding through heavy traffic
> - No huge reservoir or refills needed for a weeks trip
> - Ability to set richer or leaner setting even while riding
>
> The difference between the Pro-oiler and the CLS Speed is smaller:
>
> The pro-oiler is hugely customizable. You can, but unfortunately also have
> to,
> set all parameters for everything. It doesn't matter whether you are riding
> a
> mini bike or a dragster with a mile of chain, you can program it in there.
> That's also a disadvantage because for the average person it is a very
> complicated unit at first. Once it is all set though and once you have
> learned which calibration table works best, you can forget about most
> tweaking and just enjoy riding. Some people occasionally have problems
> with the oil pump though, usually solved with a WD40 cleaning-blast
> procedure.
> The control box and wiring is also very customizable, meaning you have to
> wire
> and connect it yourself depending on how you wish to use the system and on
> what
> kind of speed measurement you choose to use. That also means the control box
> is
> not sealed and prone to corrode a bit, something I had a few problems with
> until
> I figured it out and cleaned the connections inside the control box. So the
> pro-oiler wins if you want the ability to set everything according to your
> whishes,
> but it is not very user friendly to program and it is quite a job to install
> and
> connect. I'm not sure it would be easier with a scottoiler though since you
> need to
> connect that with engine parts.
>
> The CLS Speed is very user friendly though and much more designed for the
> actual practice of everyday, all weather riding (tested also by German guys
> riding across the world off road). There is no oil pump to worry about
> because
> it works on gravity. There is only one control box with also incorporates
> the
> magnetic switch, which is very sturdy and completely sealed in synthetic
> resin,
> so it's weather proof as well. The oil reservoir is also more user friendly,
> being able to mount horizontally. The switch, which can be mounted in the
> dash,
> is round, so just a small hole is needed. You can also mount it in between
> frame
> tubes or so, a holder is included if needed. There is also a very easy, yet
> solid,
> connecting plug in between the rotating switch and the cable in case you
> need to
> remove fairing pieces for maintenance. There is no programming needed since
> the
> settings are good for any normal motorcycle already. You only need to
> initially
> set the drip rate with a screw-flow-selector, depending on the temperature.
> Once
> set, the electronics will compensate for temperature and speed changes from
> that
> point on. The one armed dripping arm is also set up in a way that makes it
> very
> easy to adjust.
>
> So the CLS is much easier to install, set up and operate. And it is more
> durable thanks to its simplicity, without loosing on efficiency compared
> to the Pro-oiler. I mounted the CLS myself on the TDM which wasn't very hard
> as long as you're sure to route the oil line and reed-switch wire in a way
> that it won't be stressed by the rear suspension or chain which depends
> on the bike of course.
>
> I asked the main CLS guy and designer Heiko, whom I met during an
> international
> V-storm gathering in eastern Germany, about the choice of 1 versus 2 drip
> arms.
> He was also very interested in the Pro-oiler system I had on my Sprint at
> the
> time (spring this year). I also asked him why pro-oiler uses regular motor
> oil
> but his CLS uses special oil. About the oil he says he tested a huge range
> of
> oils, including regular motor oil. But motor oil he found not sticky enough
> and
> too dirty in some ways, it would run of the chain cylinders quicker than the
> oil he eventually chose. About the double arm he said it wasn't really
> needed.
> The capillary forces would make the oil stick on the cylinders in the chain
> and
> from there on the oil would flow out to cover the seals on both sides
> between
> those cylinders and the linking plates of the chain. He even said it didn't
> really
> matter to set the oiler richer in rain, since it would be lubed by water,
> although
> the oil still has a function to clean the dirt that comes with it from the
> seals.
> It's obvious he wanted a system that would have the best result but with the
> most
> simplistic and durable solution. I was impressed enough to consider the CLS
> for
> my next bike, which I eventually did a few months later, even though I was
> pleased
> overall with the pro-oiler.
>
> All in all, all three systems incl the scottoiler will make sure your chain
> lasts a lot longer and they'll in between chain maintenance (tensioning,
> cleaning,
> lubing etc) a thing of the past. The scottoiler is the most primitive system
> by far and the most expensive as well since it uses special, expensive oil
> and
> a lot of it. The Pro-oiler and CLS are intelligent systems, making them much
> more efficient and cleaner. My nudge goes to the CLS system, but I wouldn't
> have
> problems riding a ton of kilometers with a pro-oiler either. At least you
> can make
> a more informed decision now :-).
>
> Emile
> Almere, Netherlands
> '06 Yamaha TDM900A GT
> www.piloot.com
>
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