Re: [ST] st Digest, Vol 10, Issue 23

["Robert R" <robertr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Low speeds are very common. 

Dropped my 04 St at an intersection. Idled up feet up just waiting for a car
to clear the intersection then rolled on the throttle and started the lean.
Engine switched off, mighty struggle to keep it up with a few hops as
forward momentum turned to fall over, then gently lowered it onto the road.
This one turned out to be a fault with the bike, engine switching off at low
revs, took the guys at Triumph to intervene and get the dealer to sort it
out.

Also had a Suz Marauder 1600 at the same time. Fired up to ride off then
remembered didn't have wallet. Put down the sidestand, hopped off and walked
up the steps, opened the door to walk inside, just to hear the crash as it
fell off the sidestand...EXPENSIVE. Turned out there was a little bump in
the cement that stopped the stand from going fully into lock. The vibration
of the twin was enough to rock it over centre. Since then it's take a good
hard look before leaving the bike.

All this after 35 years riding with three  accidents:

Total gearbox lockup on a 750 Bonneville 5 spd less than 6 months old,
dropped BSA Firebird when clipped road markings on a curve in the wet
(before they put sand in the paint), Busted leg and totalled bike when a
learner driver did a u-turn without looking or signalling.

Well to be honest there were probably 20-30 get-offs racing dirt bikes
including a couple of spectaculars on Thompson's Track (Only Kiwi
Waikato/Bay Of Plenty off road riders would know about that jewel - runs
over the Kaimai mountain range, lots of wash-outs, large drop offs, fallen
logs etc to focus the mind.)

More close calls than I care to remember in Sydney traffic, but the low
speed and driveway ones are the ones that make you hope like hell no one was
watching.


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: ouch (brettwilson21@xxxxxxx)
   2. Re: ouch (pjs962003-sprintst@xxxxxxxxx)
   3. Re: ouch (Andrew Tait)
   4. Re: ouch (Matt Knowles)
   5. Re: ouch (brettwilson21@xxxxxxx)
   6. Re: ouch (Frederic.Nizery@xxxxxxxxxx)
   7. Bonneville lists (iPat)
   8. Re: Bonneville lists (garrysimmons@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
   9. Re: Bonneville lists (Marc Van Est)
  10. Riding Coach (Masiak, Richard)
  11. RIP - Gary Blinn (from Weirton, WV) (garrysimmons@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
  12. Re: RIP - Gary Blinn (from Weirton, WV) (brettwilson21@xxxxxxx)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:15:55 -0500
From: brettwilson21@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ST] ouch
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I'm beginning to think that low speed or even stand still drops are a lot
more common than I ever thought. I did it with a loan bike. My '99 ST was in
for a major service and they gave me a demonstrator 2004 ST for a week. I
promptly dropped it that night when I forgot about my disc lock for the
first time in years.
 
My partner is on the mailing list for Girls Ride Out, a bike club for girls,
in Sydney Australia. Some of the stories from there are incredible. More
than a few of them seem to drop their bikes everytime they think about
riding. Sometimes on both sides! One remark was to the effect that "they
must be made to do that"...
 
 
Brett
Sydney
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Van Est <MarcVE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:51:25 +0200
Subject: [ST] ouch


I Brilliantly managed to drop my one week old bike.

Bummer.

I didn't leave it in gear, kicked out the side stand, started getting off
and it rolled forward. Next thing I knew crash - me lying under the bike
after not being able to stop it falling, and my mate Johan laughing at my
stupidity. I cant say I saw the funny side at the time, I was seriously
p#$$ed off.

My neighbors are giving me skew looks at the language they heard at 7 on a
Sunday morning.

I got the quote today for the repairs (thank %$d for insurance) : R8 400 (US
$1200) to replace a fairing panel, flicker, crank case cover, mirror and
clutch lever.

I could probably have most of it 95% repaired for under R1 000, but I'd
rather pay the insurance excess and get it sorted properly.

I can honestly say that the RS side stand was a lot more positive and
stiffer than the Daytona setup. 




cheers


Marc
(slightly battered Daytona 955)


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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:28:05 -0800 (PST)
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yeah i have had trouble at low speed (under 5 mph) with balance only been
riding for 2 years though and the speed four was my first bike. i went back
and took the advanced class and have been much better since and safe!
 
philip

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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:01:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ST] ouch


Hell - that's a lot of low speed crashing/dropping!
   
  Matt Heyer
  

pjs962003-sprintst@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
  i feel your pain. i dropped my 4 day old speed four in the driveway and
busted the footpeg. i then 6 months later dropped it on the other side in
the driveway and busted the other footpeg. very humiliating, you think after
dropping it once in the driveway i would have figured out how negiotiate it
(very steep driveway). though when i bought the sprint i put LSL crash pads
on, and a week later i dropped again while taking off. so i join you and
hope now you can laugh at me to relieve your pain...

philip


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Van Est" 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:51 AM
Subject: [ST] ouch


>I Brilliantly managed to drop my one week old bike.
>
> Bummer.
>
> I didn't leave it in gear, kicked out the side stand, started getting off 
> and it rolled forward. Next thing I knew crash - me lying under the bike 
> after not being able to stop it falling, and my mate Johan laughing at my 
> stupidity. I cant say I saw the funny side at the time, I was seriously 
> p#$$ed off.
>
> My neighbors are giving me skew looks at the language they heard at 7 on a

> Sunday morning.
>
> I got the quote today for the repairs (thank %$d for insurance) : R8 400 
> (US $1200) to replace a fairing panel, flicker, crank case cover, mirror 
> and clutch lever.
>
> I could probably have most of it 95% repaired for under R1 000, but I'd 
> rather pay the insurance excess and get it sorted properly.
>
> I can honestly say that the RS side stand was a lot more positive and 
> stiffer than the Daytona setup.
>
>
>
>
> cheers
>
>
> Marc
> (slightly battered Daytona 955)
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:32:33 +0000
From: Andrew Tait <antait@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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brettwilson21@xxxxxxx wrote:

> I'm beginning to think that low speed or even stand still drops are a lot
more common than I ever thought. I did it with a loan bike. My '99 ST was in
for a major service and they gave me a demonstrator 2004 ST for a week. I
promptly dropped it that night when I forgot about my disc lock for the
first time in years.

Got the t-shirt on that one.  I have never *touch desk* dropped a bike 
at speed, but dropped my TDR250 in my front garden, my XJ600 when I 
moved it about half an inch when parked, with me standing on the 
right-hand side.  The sidestand flipped up and it went over.  And 4 
months after I got the ST I pulled away with the disc lock on.  That 
f'in' hurt.  Pride, leg and wallet.

 From other bikers I know, I'm guessing that 0 to 1mph drops are a hell 
of a lot more common than crashes.  But we only tell other bikers about 
the slow ones, 'cause they feel more stupid!

Andrew


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:02:19 -0800
From: Matt Knowles <matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ST] ouch
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On Jan 25, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Andrew Tait wrote:

> Got the t-shirt on that one.

'79 KZ400 - Dropped too many times to remember.
'81 Venturer - Dropped a couple of times and crashed at speed.
'82 Vision - Dropped in parking lot
'83 Vision - Dropped by a friend in a gravel pullout and I dropped it 
off of a U-Haul truck (don't ask)
'86 GS550ES - Crashed at speed at Sears Point. My brother dropped it in 
a parking lot, and it fell into previously mentioned '83 Vision (that 
one really hurt, two bikes damaged in one day)
'86 KLR650 - Never dropped or crashed, although I got pretty close a 
couple of times in Alaska
'90 Katana - Dropped in parking lot a couple of weeks after buying it. 
Found out the hard way that full handlebar lock came quicker than 
previous bikes. Later, while touring, I dropped it on ice twice in the 
same day.
'99 Sprint ST - Dealer dropped it while test riding it
'97 KLX - Hey it's a dirt bike, what do you expect?
'01 KLR650 - Dealer dropped it while working on it during 500 mile 
service.

So not only do I have the t-shirt, I have a whole drawer full of them 
(but then I had a lot of help)


Matt Knowles - Ferndale, CA - 
http://www.knowlesville.com/matt/motorcycles
  '99 Sprint ST - for going fast and far (2CZUSA)
  '01 KLR650 - for exploring the North Coast backroads
  '97 KLX300 & '01 Lakota - for playing in the dirt
  '79 KZ400 - just because it was the first vehicle I ever owned



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:25:02 -0500
From: brettwilson21@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ST] ouch
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Chris,
 
I experienced the insurance industry in the UK in '95. I bought a GSX600F
for 3000GBP. None of the insurance companies would recognise my insurance
history as it wasnt in the UK, so the full cover premium was around 1300GBP!
Over a third of its value was over the top so I opted for third party fire &
theft which was still expensive. 
 
The fact that not having vehicle insurance in the UK is a criminal offence
certainly doesnt help to keep the prices down.
 
Brett
Sydney
 
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Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:44:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [ST] ouch


Marc

Sorry to hear that.

When I dropped my RS at < 20m.p.h. I decided to use my comprehensive
insurance to cover the 2300GBP of damage.

The fallout was that I have not been able to use that insurance firm
again as they hiked the premium despite no-claim-bonus (NCB) now
building.  In case you think I'm exaggerating:

Fully comp in 2002 with 6 months of post-test riding - 750GBP.  Fully
comp from same broker for 2005 and 2years NCB and 3 years riding
experience, 3500GBP.

I am currently Third Party Fire & Theft (TPFT) for 220GBP.

>>> MarcVE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 25/01/2006 13:51:25 >>>
I Brilliantly managed to drop my one week old bike.

Bummer.

I didn't leave it in gear, kicked out the side stand, started getting
off and it rolled forward. Next thing I knew crash - me lying under the
bike after not being able to stop it falling, and my mate Johan laughing
at my stupidity. I cant say I saw the funny side at the time, I was
seriously p#$$ed off.

My neighbors are giving me skew looks at the language they heard at 7
on a Sunday morning.

I got the quote today for the repairs (thank %$d for insurance) : R8
400 (US $1200) to replace a fairing panel, flicker, crank case cover,
mirror and clutch lever.

I could probably have most of it 95% repaired for under R1 000, but I'd
rather pay the insurance excess and get it sorted properly.

I can honestly say that the RS side stand was a lot more positive and
stiffer than the Daytona setup. 




cheers


Marc
(slightly battered Daytona 955)

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:25:49 +0100
From: Frederic.Nizery@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ST] ouch
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So sorry about that mark.

I did that on a regular basis with my K12RS and that's what
triggered me to change for lighter bike. But it was actually close to 
285 Kg.

I am not sure you shouldn't attempt a repair by a good painter rather 
than changing
the part unless something is really out. Event hat, those fairings are 
gluable w/ pvc glue.
Event he stickers can be bought.
And about the insurance you'd rather make the math about the premium 
rise before using it this time.

Don't forget however that the fairing is for protecting the rest. For 
the slider, it's OK if it doesn't put your
frame in jeopardy. I saw some that broke their engine mounting point 
trying to protect a piece of plastic.

My 2 cents

Fred ST 02 BRG


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:31:57 +0000
From: iPat <pmdavies@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ST] Bonneville lists
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Any recommended lists to send a colleague to so he can find the answers to
his questions ?

--
Pat

For the discovery of truth there is no path?

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 6:27:50 -0500
From: garrysimmons@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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---- iPat <pmdavies@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> Any recommended lists to send a colleague to so he can find the answers to
> his questions ?

The Twins section on TriumphRat.Net might be worth looking into.

Garry


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:43:20 +0200
From: "Marc Van Est" <MarcVE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ST] Bonneville lists
To: <ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I think the Bonneville based "scrambler" would look cool in my garage next
to the Daytona.

Now I just have to convince the wife she wants one................


cheers


Marc

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---- iPat <pmdavies@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> Any recommended lists to send a colleague to so he can find the answers to
> his questions ?

The Twins section on TriumphRat.Net might be worth looking into.

Garry
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:47:07 -0500
From: "Masiak, Richard" <Richard_Masiak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ST] Riding Coach
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This is an email I received, as I subscribe to a forum.  Since we've got
some experienced riders oon this list I thought someone may qualify and be
interested.

http://www.superbikeschool.com/bbs/index.php?showtopic=498, and follow 
the instructions.


I only posted the link, as I don't want to piss off anyone who made the
original post.

Rich


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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:14:29 -0500
From: garrysimmons@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ST] RIP - Gary Blinn (from Weirton, WV)
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I know that some of the folks on here are HSTA members from Ohio. Gary
Blinn, the guy that laid out the routes for the HSTA Fly By rally, and was
recently featured in their magazine/newsletter, passed away this morning
from a massive heart attack. Gary loved riding and ripping it up in the
twisties of WV and OH. He sure knew his way around the Ohio river valley.
Really good guy. I've ridden with him and his Pittsburgh area riding buddies
several times. He'll be missed for sure. The word is filtering out via the
various web forums and stuff and people are being encouraged to let others
know that knew him.

Garry


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:55:01 -0500
From: brettwilson21@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ST] RIP - Gary Blinn (from Weirton, WV)
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 Heartfelt condolences to Garys family and friends from Australia on behalf
of the riding Brother & Sisterhood. 
 
May he rest in peace.
 
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Subject: [ST] RIP - Gary Blinn (from Weirton, WV)


I know that some of the folks on here are HSTA members from Ohio. Gary
Blinn, 
the guy that laid out the routes for the HSTA Fly By rally, and was recently

featured in their magazine/newsletter, passed away this morning from a
massive 
heart attack. Gary loved riding and ripping it up in the twisties of WV and
OH. 
He sure knew his way around the Ohio river valley. Really good guy. I've
ridden 
with him and his Pittsburgh area riding buddies several times. He'll be
missed 
for sure. The word is filtering out via the various web forums and stuff and

people are being encouraged to let others know that knew him.

Garry
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