Re: [St] Open up - Roof Boxer Review

["Kevin Dicks" <kdicks@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Brian,

That is my exact helmet - same color.

Well for me, the too noisy and no vent is not an issue (BTW the new ones are
vented and a little quieter so I hear).  To me, ALL helmets are noisy and so
I always ride with ear plugs or ear buds (for music etc.) so the noise is
not an issue.  As for vents, even on my other full-face helmets (Caberg and
Airoh) I don't think my vents do too much for me - add that to the fact it's
an open-face helmet and vents very nicely thank you so I really don't have
an issue with that.

I have a 'regular' chin and there surely is not a lot of room in-between my
chin and the chin bar but I rarely use it anyway - only really when I get
caught in the rain since rain at 90 really (really) hurts.

Not sure the pivot mechanism is an issue here since it is essentially the
same mechanism used for the visor - my Caberg is the flip-up type and that
seems pretty substantial to me.

I would not argue with you for one second that a full-face helmet provides
the best safety over any other type of helmet.   It's a trade-off for sure
but to me, I like to use the Boxer when it's really hot (even though I wore
it today and it's a little chilly).  As I said in an early post, if I wanted
to be 100% safe, I wouldn't get out of bed.

YMMV fer sure.

Cheers,

Kevin

P.s. not sure about the 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Pitman
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [St] Open up - Roof Boxer Review


>BTW, what the heck is a Roof Boxer?

OK, it;s too late for SA answers!  I found it myself at the following web
site.
 
http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/roof-helmet/roof-boxer/
 
So Kevin, having ridden for 30 yrs and having read a lot of helmet reviews
(as I riding instructor I try to stay current on trends and technology), I
find myself immediately falling into the "I don't get it" category with the
Roof Boxer.  Yep, it is an interesting design but has too many shortcomings
for me.
 
At the top of the list is the "no vent-too much noise" observation on the
part of the unnamed authour. If I am parting with a good chunk of change for
a new lid, it better be functional!  
Vents are very functional in high humidity in keeping the fogging down and I
am always looking for a quieter helmet; not a noisier one.
 
Also, in my case, the short front-to-back comment does not bode well for me.
I have a long chin so I do not need the aggravation of extra pressure.
 
Lastly, I have read several critical reviews of flip-up helmets citing the
pivot mechanism as the Achilles heel of the design.  In other words, there
is more metal and less closed cell foam in the temples of the helmet where
the chin bar pivots away from the remainder of the helmet shell.  
... and guess what is one of the more critical areas of the skull???
Post-crash reviews I have seen have noted that the head injuries to a
flip-up helmet wearer have sometimes been severe (deadly) when the crash has
pushed the pivot area metal into the skull of the rider.
 
Like I said, I just don't get the whole flip-up concept.  I know the idea is
to make it easier for glasses wearers .  While I am not yet forced to wear
corrective lenses when I ride, I often do wear sunglasses so I am very
familiar with the need to find a comfortable pair of sunglasses with a
narrow arm that will (relatively) easily slide between the helmet liner and
my temples.
 
Nothing I have read in the Roof Boxer review has changed my opinion that the
best protection available is a good full face helmet.  
It is then the rider's responsibility to find the right glasses/sunglasses
to use in combination with the chosen helmet.
 
The one unknown I will concede in my comments is that I am not familiar with
the Euro ECE 22-05 test standards, however, I am guessing that there is no
specific test for a flip-up helmet in the pivot area.  Someone please
correct me if I have guessed wrong...
 
Cheers,
 
Brian
GWN
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