Re: [St] New Avon Storms

["Zoltan Pavlakovich" <zpavlakovich@xxxxxxxxx>]

I too have 021s front and rear and am very pleased so far. No cupping, no
uneven tire wear. A vast improvement over the 020s.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:36 AM, marc Ve <daytona955.marc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I just fitted an 021 on the back of my Daytona, a 190, which is the
> recommended size for that rim.
>
> I still have the 015 on the front, as it is still good for a few thousand
> kms.
>
> The 015 back was sweet handling, but evaporated in 4000 odd kms, wore
> completley square. Great track tyre, terrible for high speed touring.
>
> I've heard from two guys that their 021;s have worn equally front and back,
> which must mean the 021 front is softer than the 020 it replaced.
>
> They also said the 021 doesnt "cup" like the 020 and 010 used to.
>
> My 015 is showing no sign of cupping.
>
> I've hear good things about the mix of handling and wear on the 021, some
> guys I know do track days on them.
>
>
> cheers
>
>
> Marc
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:03 AM, John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > I beg to differ with me too...I just looked at the 021 on the front of my
> > RS, and with about 2000 miles on it, it is almost toast! Now this I do
> not
> > understand...I put new front and rear at the same time, and front usually
> > last 1 1/2 - 2 rears. The rear is fine, just beginning to get a little
> > squared off from the slab commute to where the good roads are, but the
> front
> > is within a 1/32nd of the wear bars at the 10 and 2 o'clock positions. I
> > have never had a front last half as long as a back. And this is the same
> > tire that did not stick as well as the Storm from yesterdays
> conversation...
> >
> > Confused in n e ohio
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, JES_VFR <jes_vfr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > From: JES_VFR <jes_vfr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: Re: [St] New Avon Storms
> > > To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:49 PM
> > > At 06:33 AM 9/10/2008, John wrote:
> > > >Shane,
> > > >
> > > >Short story. You will love the performance of the
> > > Storms, but not
> > > >the mileage.
> > >
> > > Well I beg to differ here John, as I got great mileage out
> > > of both my
> > > sets of storms. Now I had them on my VFR. When I bought it
> > > had
> > > dunflops, that felt like rock, chattered and wiggled in
> > > turns and
> > > were scarey. The rear took a large nail at 600 miles and
> > > was replaced
> > > with a Qualifier. It also felt like a rock, chattered and
> > > wiggled
> > > like it was on oil in turns. I got about 400 on it and had
> > > the rear
> > > slide badly while traversing a well banked off ramp (you
> > > know the
> > > kind that are marked for 30mph, but banked so well that
> > > taking them
> > > at 65 should be effortless. I ditched it quickly since I
> > > figured that
> > > any tire that would slide in that curve when I only going
> > > 35 was
> > > going to kill me.
> > > I bought a set of Avon azaros, loved them and was getting
> > > great
> > > mileage out of them (about 5000 at both ends and plenty of
> > > tread
> > > left), when I got another nail, this one bent badly as was
> > > driven in
> > > so the belt was bubbled on interior surface and the tire
> > > unpatchable.
> > > I bought my first set Storms then and rode the heck out of
> > > them. I
> > > mean I rode in everything with them without a complaint
> > > (even a
> > > surprize snow storm).
> > > I had nearly 9000 on the set when I again fell victim to
> > > nails (Okay
> > > the front had a drywall screw in it, the back had two of
> > > those screw
> > > nails for crates). I probably still had another 1500-2000
> > > miles on
> > > them though.
> > >
> > > I'd have to check right now to see exactly what the
> > > mileage on the
> > > storms on the VFR have right now (since it is sitting in
> > > the
> > > warehouse at work waiting for parts from a hit an run).
> > > But I can tell you this, I'm torn between putting
> > > another set of
> > > Storms or a set of viper sports on my RC51. It really
> > > can't wait much
> > > longer as the lazertec on the front is starting to slide
> > > and the
> > > crappy (and too wide) shinko on the rear has me skidding
> > > the rear
> > > tire up to every 6/10th effort stop.
> > >
> > >
> > > >Long story. I bought a pair of Storms and a pair of
> > > 021s for both
> > > >bikes last summer. I needed a rear on my Superhawk, put
> > > the Storm on
> > > >it, running off a Bridgestone 014 on the front. Liked
> > > the Storm
> > > >immediatley, enough to wonder how good the front will
> > > be, but I
> > > >doubt it will last 4000 miles. Spooned the 021s onto my
> > > RS earleir
> > > >this season. Like them alot. The RS came with 020s, and
> > > worked well
> > > >with them. A few years ago I got a real good deal on
> > > three pairs and
> > > >a couple extra rears of 010s, 012s, and 014s. Was
> > > fighting with the
> > > >RS the entire time, hate those, will never go back. At
> > > 22,000 miles
> > > >on the RS, I spooned on the 021s and changed the fork
> > > oil, and she
> > > >is back to normal. I thought the 021s were
> > > great...until yesterday.
> > > >I'll get back to that.
> > > >
> > > >Finally ran off the front 014 on the Superhawk, put the
> > > new Storm on
> > > >it. Rode the bike for the first time on Sunday with
> > > Storms fore and
> > > >aft, albeit the rear is pretty worn. LOVE THEM!. Last
> > > night I washed
> > > >both bikes, and I take my bikes out for a little spin
> > > after washing
> > > >to "blow dry" them. I had had a conversation
> > > with a riding buddy
> > > >about brakes and braking on Sunday, so I did a little
> > > experiment.
> > > >First on the SH, on a secluded street in my
> > > neighborhood, I made
> > > >progressivley harder and harder stops, front brake
> > > only, from about
> > > >10mph or less. It didnt take long to get the rear tire
> > > in the air.
> > > >Now understand I am not a wheelie or stoppie guy, and
> > > stopping that
> > > >hard scares me, but I was trying to verify some things
> > > my friend had
> > > >said about braking in general over the weekend. This is
> > > the first
> > > >time I have ever raised the rear wheel off the ground,
> > > and we are
> > > >talking inches, not feet. I did it 3-4 times, same
> > > result each time,
> > > >launching a little
> > > >  further each time. OK, enough abuse to the
> > > suspension. Went and
> > > > washed the RS. Took it out to blow dry. Tried the same
> > > thing.
> > > > Locked the front wheel and skidded. Thank God I was
> > > going slow.
> > > > After a few attempts, I finally got it's back tire
> > > up a few inches,
> > > > but what a difference. The Storms on the SH never lost
> > > traction or
> > > > squealed, it slowed, and when braking overcame
> > > inertia, back end
> > > > came off the ground. The 021s on the RS squealed,
> > > slithered, broke
> > > > traction, and when braking overcame inertia they would
> > > skid before
> > > > they raised the back end. And mind you, the RS has WAY
> > > better
> > > > brakes than the SH.
> > >
> > > I've heard comments like this before about 'stones,
> > > which is why I'm
> > > not anxious to try them.
> > > I must admit that I am considering the Pirelli diablos as a
> > > second
> > > choice for the RC51 as a street tire. I have ridden a set
> > > on a VFR
> > > and was able to brake with the same confidence that the
> > > avons yield
> > > on my big heavy, linked brake equipped VFR.
> > >
> > > >Is this a fair comparison? You tell me. Tires are the
> > > same size,
> > > >rims are the same size, bikes a within a few pounds of
> > > one another,
> > > >similar in scope,geometry, intended purpose. Yeah,
> > > wheelbase is a
> > > >bit longer on the RS, but its not a Goldwing...or a
> > > Hayabusa, for
> > > >that matter. Same stretch of pavement.
> > > >
> > > >Anyway, that's my two cents for what it is worth,
> > > anyone else feel
> > > >free to chime in. I wanted to answer Shanes inquiry
> > > specifically,
> > > >but am curious as to other's opinions on my little
> > > experiment.
> > > >
> > > >Shane, mileage wise, like I said, less than 4k on the
> > > rear Storm, no
> > > >data on the front. On 021s I would usually get 5k out
> > > of a rear, 7k
> > > >out of a front, or therabouts...
> > > >
> > > >John
> > >
> > > Shane, all I can tell you is this. My VFR is heavier than
> > > you
> > > triumph, yet I ride it hard. It will lift the rear tire
> > > doing stops
> > > all day long with no tire problems, and I have never slid
> > > the front
> > > end with the Storms either.
> > > And I get much better mileage out of my Storms than I ever
> > > did with a duncrap.
> > >
> > > Is this an apples to apple comparison? No, but I feel it is
> > > a fair
> > > evaluation of a tire intended for your bike and mine.
> > >
> > > YMMV.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > JohnS
> > > A Dragon Ascending
> > > "Forging my body in the Fires of my Will"
> > >
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