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Re: Any R1100RS owners?
- Subject: Re: Any R1100RS owners?
- From: "Keith Formosa" <keithf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:24:54 -0700
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Erik,
Excellent summary and analysis. Having owned 3 RTs, 3 RSs and 2 Rs, I =
can certainly agree with your viewpoint. I have had my my ST since Aug =
23 and now have almost 9000 kms on the bike and just appreciate its =
flexibility and character more and more with each kilometre.
Cheers
Keith Formosa
Toronto, Canada
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Erik Miner=20
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Any R1100RS owners?
My $.02 worth: I've owned two BMW oilheads both R11RT's , the RT is =
pretty much the same bike as the RS except that it has the larger =
fairing and comes standard with a rear rack and hard bags. The R1100 =
series are great bikes except for a couple of fundamental design flaws. =
First and worst is a low speed surging problem with the fuel injection. =
The bike, at light throttle settings will not hold a steady speed they =
kinda buck, or surge if you will. Some R11's are worse than others. On =
some it's almost un noticeable. On some it's terrible. BMW has been =
aware of this problem for a long time but has chosen to do nothing about =
it! The current generation of R11's seems to have corrected this =
problem. The main fix was two fold. First a newer engine management =
system ( Motronic 2.4 vs the 2.2 on older R11's of which the R11RS is =
one of ) and a new style exhaust system designed to smooth out the =
engines pulses and let the O2 senor see a smoother exhaust flow. The =
other problem with older R11's is the gear box. They shift like shit. =
Yes some are better than others but as a whole very clunkly. Again the =
fix in the new bikes is a new six speed box designed by Gertrag, light =
years better! Other new bits on the new bikes: A hydraulic clutch, new =
lighter telelever, revised paralever, and revised switch gear. The first =
of the new generation boxers the R1100S seems to have cured all the =
problems of the previous generation, although there are still reports of =
a few that surge. The newest boxer the R1150GS has been getting great =
press and maybe the best all around BMW boxer yet. ( although a few =
reports of surging have cropped up already) The main reason for the =
surging issue in the BMW boxers is that BMW have chosen to make the =
bikes run VERY lean. These are probably the "greenest" bikes out there ( =
standard catalytic converters on all models) The only other know =
problems with the boxers and most BMW's is a tendency to pull to the =
right. This can be attributed to both natural torque pull, and the =
extra weight of the shaft and swing arm on the right side of the bike. =
Also an R11RS will cost you a good 3K more than an ST, and will most =
likely be discontinued after the 99 model year. As everyone has so far =
commented the best thing for you to do is ride both, they are very, very =
different bikes.
Erik
At 05:53 PM 10/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
I'm purchasing a new bike in the next couple of weeks and have it =
narrowed
down to a 1999 R1100RS and a 1999 (or possibly a Y2K Sapphire Blue) =
Triumph
Sprint ST. Frankly, at this point, I love both bikes but can't =
afford
both -- kinda like the wife and girlfriend, but that is another =
story ;-)
...
On the one hand, the Triumph is cheaper, faster, etc. On the other, =
the
Beemer has ABS, Telelever, Paralever, shaft drive, etc. Both are =
great
sport/touring machines but come at it from different angles...hence =
the
dilemma.
So I am posting this to both the BMWMC list and the Sprint ST list: =
care to
share any comments/experiences with your bikes that could help me =
break the
tie so I can get out and ride? Thanks in advance.
ChrisG
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Erik,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Excellent summary and analysis. Having owned 3 RTs, =
3 RSs and=20
2 Rs, I can certainly agree with your viewpoint. I have had my my ST =
since Aug=20
23 and now have almost 9000 kms on the bike and just appreciate its =
flexibility=20
and character more and more with each kilometre.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Keith Formosa</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Toronto, Canada</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:axeis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; =
title=3Daxeis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Erik=20
Miner</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"=20
title=3DST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 06, =
1999 4:48=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Any R1100RS =
owners?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D3>My $.02 worth: I've owned two BMW =
oilheads=20
both R11RT's , the RT is pretty much the same bike as the RS except =
that it=20
has the larger fairing and comes standard with a rear rack and hard =
bags. The=20
R1100 series are great bikes except for a couple of fundamental design =
flaws.=20
First and worst is a low speed surging problem with the fuel =
injection. The=20
bike, at light throttle settings will not hold a steady speed they =
kinda buck,=20
or surge if you will. Some R11's are worse than others. On some it's =
almost un=20
noticeable. On some it's terrible. BMW has been aware of this problem =
for a=20
long time but has chosen to do nothing about it! The current =
generation=20
of R11's seems to have corrected this problem. The main fix was two =
fold.=20
First a newer engine management system ( Motronic 2.4 vs the 2.2 on =
older=20
R11's of which the R11RS is one of ) and a new style exhaust system =
designed=20
to smooth out the engines pulses and let the O2 senor see a smoother =
exhaust=20
flow. The other problem with older R11's is the gear box. They shift =
like=20
shit. Yes some are better than others but as a whole very clunkly. =
Again the=20
fix in the new bikes is a new six speed box designed by Gertrag, light =
years=20
better! Other new bits on the new bikes: A hydraulic clutch, new =
lighter=20
telelever, revised paralever, and revised switch gear. The first of =
the new=20
generation boxers the R1100S seems to have cured all the problems of =
the=20
previous generation, although there are still reports of a few that =
surge. The=20
newest boxer the R1150GS has been getting great press and maybe the =
best all=20
around BMW boxer yet. ( although a few reports of surging have =
cropped=20
up already) The main reason for the surging issue in the BMW boxers is =
that=20
BMW have chosen to make the bikes run VERY lean. These are probably =
the=20
"greenest" bikes out there ( standard catalytic converters on all =
models) The=20
only other know problems with the boxers and most BMW's is a tendency =
to pull=20
to the right. This can be attributed to both natural torque =
pull, and=20
the extra weight of the shaft and swing arm on the right side of the =
bike.=20
Also an R11RS will cost you a good 3K more than an ST, and will most =
likely be=20
discontinued after the 99 model year. As everyone has so far commented =
the=20
best thing for you to do is ride both, they are very, very different=20
bikes.<BR><BR><BR>Erik<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 05:53 PM 10/4/99 =
- -0400,=20
you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">I'm purchasing a new bike in the next =
couple of=20
weeks and have it narrowed<BR>down to a 1999 R1100RS and a 1999 (or =
possibly=20
a Y2K Sapphire Blue) Triumph<BR>Sprint ST. Frankly, at this =
point, I=20
love both bikes but can't afford<BR>both -- kinda like the wife and=20
girlfriend, but that is another story ;-)<BR>...<BR><BR>On the one =
hand, the=20
Triumph is cheaper, faster, etc. On the other, the<BR>Beemer =
has ABS,=20
Telelever, Paralever, shaft drive, etc. Both are=20
great<BR>sport/touring machines but come at it from different =
angles...hence=20
the<BR>dilemma.<BR><BR>So I am posting this to both the BMWMC list =
and the=20
Sprint ST list: care to<BR>share any comments/experiences with =
your=20
bikes that could help me break the<BR>tie so I can get out and=20
ride? Thanks in=20
advance.<BR><BR>ChrisG<BR><BR><BR> * * =20
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