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Re: Any R1100RS owners?
- Subject: Re: Any R1100RS owners?
- From: "Keith Formosa" <keithf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:07:07 -0700
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Your question must be rhetorical but doesn't negate the fact that I've =
had a lot of experience with these bikes. I didn't say I made up my mind =
that easily ! =3D;>) That having been said - BMWs are great touring =
bikes but as Erik pointed so eloquently their foibles can really piss =
you off! In my case they did especially given the fact that one must pay =
so much money to put up with that stuff.
Keith
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Sam Taylor=20
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Any R1100RS owners?
I'm sorry, I just have to ask...you've owned 3 RTs, 3RSs, and 2 =
Rs??????. In at most 6 years?
=20
But back to ME: I've had an R1100RS since 1994. It now has 80,000 =
miles on the clock. I've had lots of problems, but most were fixed =
under the (then) 3 year, UNLIMITED mileage warranty. BMW NA has since =
dropped that to 3year, 36,000 miles. I would consider this a drawback =
vs. the Sprint (2 year, unlimited) as I tend to put on the miles.
=20
That said, the RS is a marvelous bike. She seems a bit heavy these =
days in the mountains (which is why I lurk here--I'm considering a =
Sprint to supplement, not to replace). But for cross-country touring, I =
think she can't be beat....the RT has better wind protection but looks, =
well, stodgy(ier), and is 50 pounds heavier, to boot. The GS is, oddly, =
heavier and to my eye is ugly. The RS can do anything either of them =
can do, short of serious off-road, due to its "buttersoft rims".
=20
So why do I post this on the ST site? 'Cause, as I said, I've grown =
infatuated with that triple. For me, as a second bike, it's between the =
Sprint ST, the new RS, and the Speed triple. Either way, the BMW RS =
gets relegated to the long tours---where it will alway shine.
=20
Ever faithful,
=20
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of =
Keith Formosa
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:25 PM
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Any R1100RS owners?
Erik,
Excellent summary and analysis. Having owned 3 RTs, 3 RSs and 2 Rs, =
I can certainly agree with your viewpoint. I have had my my ST since Aug =
23 and now have almost 9000 kms on the bike and just appreciate its =
flexibility and character more and more with each kilometre.
Cheers
Keith Formosa
Toronto, Canada
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Erik Miner=20
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Any R1100RS owners?
My $.02 worth: I've owned two BMW oilheads both R11RT's , the RT =
is pretty much the same bike as the RS except that it has the larger =
fairing and comes standard with a rear rack and hard bags. The R1100 =
series are great bikes except for a couple of fundamental design flaws. =
First and worst is a low speed surging problem with the fuel injection. =
The bike, at light throttle settings will not hold a steady speed they =
kinda buck, or surge if you will. Some R11's are worse than others. On =
some it's almost un noticeable. On some it's terrible. BMW has been =
aware of this problem for a long time but has chosen to do nothing about =
it! The current generation of R11's seems to have corrected this =
problem. The main fix was two fold. First a newer engine management =
system ( Motronic 2.4 vs the 2.2 on older R11's of which the R11RS is =
one of ) and a new style exhaust system designed to smooth out the =
engines pulses and let the O2 senor see a smoother exhaust flow. The =
other problem with older R11's is the gear box. They shift like shit. =
Yes some are better than others but as a whole very clunkly. Again the =
fix in the new bikes is a new six speed box designed by Gertrag, light =
years better! Other new bits on the new bikes: A hydraulic clutch, new =
lighter telelever, revised paralever, and revised switch gear. The first =
of the new generation boxers the R1100S seems to have cured all the =
problems of the previous generation, although there are still reports of =
a few that surge. The newest boxer the R1150GS has been getting great =
press and maybe the best all around BMW boxer yet. ( although a few =
reports of surging have cropped up already) The main reason for the =
surging issue in the BMW boxers is that BMW have chosen to make the =
bikes run VERY lean. These are probably the "greenest" bikes out there ( =
standard catalytic converters on all models) The only other know =
problems with the boxers and most BMW's is a tendency to pull to the =
right. This can be attributed to both natural torque pull, and the =
extra weight of the shaft and swing arm on the right side of the bike. =
Also an R11RS will cost you a good 3K more than an ST, and will most =
likely be discontinued after the 99 model year. As everyone has so far =
commented the best thing for you to do is ride both, they are very, very =
different bikes.
Erik
At 05:53 PM 10/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
I'm purchasing a new bike in the next couple of weeks and have =
it narrowed
down to a 1999 R1100RS and a 1999 (or possibly a Y2K Sapphire =
Blue) Triumph
Sprint ST. Frankly, at this point, I love both bikes but can't =
afford
both -- kinda like the wife and girlfriend, but that is another =
story ;-)
...
On the one hand, the Triumph is cheaper, faster, etc. On the =
other, the
Beemer has ABS, Telelever, Paralever, shaft drive, etc. Both =
are great
sport/touring machines but come at it from different =
angles...hence the
dilemma.
So I am posting this to both the BMWMC list and the Sprint ST =
list: care to
share any comments/experiences with your bikes that could help =
me break the
tie so I can get out and ride? Thanks in advance.
ChrisG
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Your question must be rhetorical but doesn't negate =
the fact=20
that I've had a lot of experience with these bikes. I didn't say I made =
up my=20
mind that easily ! =3D;>) That having been said - BMWs are great =
touring bikes=20
but as Erik pointed so eloquently their foibles can really piss you off! =
In my=20
case they did especially given the fact that one must pay so much money =
to put=20
up with that stuff.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Keith</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:set2@xxxxxxxx"; title=3Dset2@xxxxxxxx>Sam Taylor</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"=20
title=3DST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 06, =
1999 9:16=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Any R1100RS =
owners?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D210210704-07101999>I'm=20
sorry, I just have to ask...you've owned 3 RTs, 3RSs, and 2 =
Rs??????. In=20
at most 6 years?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D210210704-07101999>But=20
back to ME: I've had an R1100RS since 1994. It now has =
80,000=20
miles on the clock. I've had lots of problems, but most were =
fixed under=20
the (then) 3 year, UNLIMITED mileage warranty. BMW NA has since =
dropped=20
that to 3year, 36,000 miles. I would consider this a drawback =
vs. the=20
Sprint (2 year, unlimited) as I tend to put on the =
miles.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D210210704-07101999>That=20
said, the RS is a marvelous bike. She seems a bit heavy these =
days in=20
the mountains (which is why I lurk here--I'm considering a Sprint to=20
supplement, not to replace). But for cross-country touring, I =
think she=20
can't be beat....the RT has better wind protection but looks, well,=20
stodgy(ier), and is 50 pounds heavier, to boot. The GS is, =
oddly,=20
heavier and to my eye is ugly. The RS can do anything either of =
them can=20
do, short of serious off-road, due to its "buttersoft=20
rims".</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D210210704-07101999>So=20
why do I post this on the ST site? 'Cause, as I said, I've grown =
infatuated with that triple. For me, as a second bike, it's =
between the=20
Sprint ST, the new RS, and the Speed triple. Either way, the BMW =
RS gets=20
relegated to the long tours---where it will alway =
shine.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D210210704-07101999>Ever=20
faithful,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999>Sam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx=20
[mailto:owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Keith=20
Formosa<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:25 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Any R1100RS=20
owners?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Erik,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Excellent summary and analysis. Having owned 3 =
RTs, 3 RSs=20
and 2 Rs, I can certainly agree with your viewpoint. I have had my =
my ST=20
since Aug 23 and now have almost 9000 kms on the bike and just =
appreciate=20
its flexibility and character more and more with each=20
kilometre.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Keith Formosa</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Toronto, Canada</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:axeis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; =
title=3Daxeis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Erik=20
Miner</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"=20
title=3DST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October =
06, 1999=20
4:48 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Any R1100RS=20
owners?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D3>My $.02 worth: I've owned two =
BMW=20
oilheads both R11RT's , the RT is pretty much the same bike as the =
RS=20
except that it has the larger fairing and comes standard with a =
rear rack=20
and hard bags. The R1100 series are great bikes except for a =
couple of=20
fundamental design flaws. First and worst is a low speed surging =
problem=20
with the fuel injection. The bike, at light throttle settings will =
not=20
hold a steady speed they kinda buck, or surge if you will. Some =
R11's are=20
worse than others. On some it's almost un noticeable. On some it's =
terrible. BMW has been aware of this problem for a long time but =
has=20
chosen to do nothing about it! The current generation of =
R11's seems=20
to have corrected this problem. The main fix was two fold. First a =
newer=20
engine management system ( Motronic 2.4 vs the 2.2 on older R11's =
of which=20
the R11RS is one of ) and a new style exhaust system designed to =
smooth=20
out the engines pulses and let the O2 senor see a smoother exhaust =
flow.=20
The other problem with older R11's is the gear box. They shift =
like shit.=20
Yes some are better than others but as a whole very clunkly. Again =
the fix=20
in the new bikes is a new six speed box designed by Gertrag, light =
years=20
better! Other new bits on the new bikes: A hydraulic clutch, =
new=20
lighter telelever, revised paralever, and revised switch gear. The =
first=20
of the new generation boxers the R1100S seems to have cured all =
the=20
problems of the previous generation, although there are still =
reports of a=20
few that surge. The newest boxer the R1150GS has been getting =
great press=20
and maybe the best all around BMW boxer yet. ( although a =
few=20
reports of surging have cropped up already) The main reason for =
the=20
surging issue in the BMW boxers is that BMW have chosen to make =
the bikes=20
run VERY lean. These are probably the "greenest" bikes out there ( =
standard catalytic converters on all models) The only other know =
problems=20
with the boxers and most BMW's is a tendency to pull to the right. =
This=20
can be attributed to both natural torque pull, and the extra =
weight=20
of the shaft and swing arm on the right side of the bike. Also an =
R11RS=20
will cost you a good 3K more than an ST, and will most likely be=20
discontinued after the 99 model year. As everyone has so far =
commented the=20
best thing for you to do is ride both, they are very, very =
different=20
bikes.<BR><BR><BR>Erik<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 05:53 PM =
10/4/99=20
-0400, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">I'm purchasing a new bike in the =
next=20
couple of weeks and have it narrowed<BR>down to a 1999 R1100RS =
and a=20
1999 (or possibly a Y2K Sapphire Blue) Triumph<BR>Sprint =
ST. =20
Frankly, at this point, I love both bikes but can't =
afford<BR>both --=20
kinda like the wife and girlfriend, but that is another story=20
;-)<BR>...<BR><BR>On the one hand, the Triumph is cheaper, =
faster,=20
etc. On the other, the<BR>Beemer has ABS, Telelever, =
Paralever,=20
shaft drive, etc. Both are great<BR>sport/touring machines =
but=20
come at it from different angles...hence =
the<BR>dilemma.<BR><BR>So I am=20
posting this to both the BMWMC list and the Sprint ST =
list: care=20
to<BR>share any comments/experiences with your bikes that could =
help me=20
break the<BR>tie so I can get out and ride? Thanks =
in=20
advance.<BR><BR>ChrisG<BR><BR><BR> * =
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