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RE: [ST] FYI Gas prices



sorry... better links:

http://tinyurl.com/4odnf

and 

http://tinyurl.com/6l3d4


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Rob
Sukach
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:52 AM
To: 'ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [ST] FYI Gas prices


the notion that oil production has "peaked" is far from a universally
excepted fact.

http://members.cox.net/schafersman/skeptic//badgeology/energy/debate-review.
htm

and 

http://members.cox.net/schafersman/skeptic//badgeology/energy/debate-review.
htm

rob sukach
dallas tx

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
aronnmail-list@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:27 AM
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ST] FYI Gas prices


I wouldn't take Andy's word on it.  Sounds much like
the claimed reason for the California energy crisis a
few years back: "the environmentalists wouldn't let us
build power plants, so now there's not enough power." 
Reality?  Enron manipulating the energy supply to
gouge Californians.

The current fluctuations in oil price are the result
of the geopolitical situation at present--the likely
bankruptcy of Yukos, tensions in oil-producing regions
like Iran, Iraq, and Venezuela.

In the longer term--but not that long--prices are
going to go up for more fundamental and much more
scary reasons: the passing of peak oil.  Worldwide
supply will start going down as demand continues to go
up.  It will, without exageration, be a world-changing
event with consequences that touch every aspect of our
life.

It's going to be painful, and smart societies would
start planning for the inevitable NOW to reduce the
amount of pain we'll experience when the time comes,
rather than, say, riding the cheap-oil party straight
into a brick wall.

More info and economic analysis at:
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

- -Aron

- --- "Masiak, Richard"
<Richard_Masiak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Funny you should mention that Andy.  A guy I work
> with said the same thing when I complained about the
> rising gas prices.  I never had/took the time to sit
> down and analyze that so I'll take your word for it.
>  That doesn't make me feel any better though.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> Andrew F. Kay, Jr. 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:38 PM
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ST] FYI Gas prices
> 
> 
> Gas prices are just APPROACHING the real cost we
> were paying in the
> mid-70's.  Inflation actually hid the fact that
> gasoline cost a lot less
> for a long time.  As a percentage of your income, it
> is less or possibly
> equal to what we paid 30 years ago.
> 
> Refinery capacity is a real problem in the cost
> factor.  Thank the
> Sierra club and the rest of the NIMBY's for the
> paucity of new refinery
> capacity.

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