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> From: "Rob Luiken" <rob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 6 February 2005 10:22:30 GMT
> To: <WaleSWeST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [SWeST] flat battery - the answers
> Reply-To: WaleSWeST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> MB> Optimate - comes with a plug which will connect to the accessory=20=

> plug on
>  MB> the ST which (as you know) has a direct feed (i.e. not though the
>  ignition
>  MB> circuit) to the battery.=A0 Roll the bike in to the garage, put =
it=20
> on
>  centre
>  MB> stand, plug in Optimate.=A0 Couldn't be simpler ;-))
>
>  In fact I do have an Optimate. Problem was, where to plug in the=20
> Optimate?
>  There's no power supply in the garage. Thanks to Gavin Lawrie from=20
> this list
>  who crossposted my message on the US Sprint list, Bryce and some =
Dutch
>  members on BikeNet.nl the best answer seems to be solar power! There=20=

> exists
>  an Optimate with a 25x15 cm (10" x 6") solar panel which can also be=20=

> used
>  inside, even in Dutch conditions which are as drizzly as Welsh=20
> conditions.
>  So that's what I'm gonna try.
>  I could place the panel in front of a small top window in the garage=20=

> and the
>  sun does the rest. As the garage is in a urban area, placing the =
panel
>  outside seems a bit to risky.
>
>  Thanks about the suggestion about the direct feed, it would have been=20=

> my
>  next question.
>
>  My suggestion of a line up with a car battery also seemed possible.=20=

> Plug in
>  the car battery in the direct feed and every now and then take the
>  car-battery home to recharge it.
>  Still I'm not completely sure whether this could lead to overheating,=20=

> for
>  intance of the cables. I suggest to build in some fuses before anyone=20=

> starts
>  experimenting with that line-up.
>
>  > >RL- - How long should the engine be running just to compensate for=20=

> the
>  energy
>  > >RL- lost when starting, thus after how many miles (kilometers) the
>  battery
>  > >RL- charges more than it has used for the startup?
>
>  The answer to that question seems to be:
>  After a jumpstart with an empty battery you will be able to restart=20=

> after 5
>  or 10 minutes driving, of course depending on your battery and=20
> alternator.
>  The Sprint alternator is 480 watts, substract the watts for lights =
and
>  accessories and the rest can be used for charging the battery.
>
>  And more... the electronic motormanagement settings are written on an=20=

> Eprom
>  which is not harmed if it is without current.
>  Some people on this list seems to get in 'Safety mode' after=20
> disconnection
>  but that seems to return to 'Normal mode' again after a few restarts=20=

> (remove
>  the key completely), hence your settings are not lost although a bit=20=

> hidden.
>  I never had that problem though. My alarm also woke up fine after
>  disconnection.
>
>  MB> Nice to see you posting, Rob, can we have lots of information=20
> regarding
>  MB> interesting routes in your part of Europe please.=A0 Given the =
Dutch
>  police
>  MB> affinity for speed traps that may not be in the Netherlands but=20=

> anywhere
>  MB> just outside your borders will be fine!!
>
>  That will come up later, the sun is shining, the battery is charged=20=

> (with an
>  Optimate Mike!) and in place again, so I'll be off for now!
>
>  And Gavin could you please crosspost this message to the US list?
>
>  Thanks everyone,
>
>  Rob
>  The Netherlands
>  1999 Red ST

Best regards

Gavin Lawrie
ST'03=

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<excerpt><bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>From:
</color></bold>"Rob Luiken" <<rob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Date: </color></bold>6
February 2005 10:22:30 GMT

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>To:
</color></bold><<WaleSWeST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Subject: </color>Re: [SWeST]
flat battery - the answers

<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Reply-To:
</color></bold>WaleSWeST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


<fixed>MB> Optimate - comes with a plug which will connect to the
accessory plug on</fixed>

<fixed> MB> the ST which (as you know) has a direct feed (i.e. not
though the</fixed>

<fixed> ignition</fixed>

<fixed> MB> circuit) to the battery.=A0 Roll the bike in to the garage,
put it on</fixed>

<fixed> centre</fixed>

<fixed> MB> stand, plug in Optimate.=A0 Couldn't be simpler ;-))</fixed>


<fixed> In fact I do have an Optimate. Problem was, where to plug in
the Optimate?</fixed>

<fixed> There's no power supply in the garage. Thanks to Gavin Lawrie
from this list</fixed>

<fixed> who crossposted my message on the US Sprint list, Bryce and
some Dutch</fixed>

<fixed> members on BikeNet.nl the best answer seems to be solar power!
There exists</fixed>

<fixed> an Optimate with a 25x15 cm (10" x 6") solar panel which can
also be used</fixed>

<fixed> inside, even in Dutch conditions which are as drizzly as Welsh
conditions.</fixed>

<fixed> So that's what I'm gonna try.</fixed>

<fixed> I could place the panel in front of a small top window in the
garage and the</fixed>

<fixed> sun does the rest. As the garage is in a urban area, placing
the panel</fixed>

<fixed> outside seems a bit to risky.</fixed>


<fixed> Thanks about the suggestion about the direct feed, it would
have been my</fixed>

<fixed> next question.</fixed>


<fixed> My suggestion of a line up with a car battery also seemed
possible. Plug in</fixed>

<fixed> the car battery in the direct feed and every now and then take
the</fixed>

<fixed> car-battery home to recharge it.</fixed>

<fixed> Still I'm not completely sure whether this could lead to
overheating, for</fixed>

<fixed> intance of the cables. I suggest to build in some fuses before
anyone starts</fixed>

<fixed> experimenting with that line-up.</fixed>


<fixed> > >RL- - How long should the engine be running just to
compensate for the</fixed>

<fixed> energy</fixed>

<fixed> > >RL- lost when starting, thus after how many miles
(kilometers) the</fixed>

<fixed> battery</fixed>

<fixed> > >RL- charges more than it has used for the startup?</fixed>


<fixed> The answer to that question seems to be:</fixed>

<fixed> After a jumpstart with an empty battery you will be able to
restart after 5</fixed>

<fixed> or 10 minutes driving, of course depending on your battery and
alternator.</fixed>

<fixed> The Sprint alternator is 480 watts, substract the watts for
lights and</fixed>

<fixed> accessories and the rest can be used for charging the =
battery.</fixed>


<fixed> And more... the electronic motormanagement settings are
written on an Eprom</fixed>

<fixed> which is not harmed if it is without current.</fixed>

<fixed> Some people on this list seems to get in 'Safety mode' after
disconnection</fixed>

<fixed> but that seems to return to 'Normal mode' again after a few
restarts (remove</fixed>

<fixed> the key completely), hence your settings are not lost although
a bit hidden.</fixed>

<fixed> I never had that problem though. My alarm also woke up fine
after</fixed>

<fixed> disconnection.</fixed>


<fixed> MB> Nice to see you posting, Rob, can we have lots of
information regarding</fixed>

<fixed> MB> interesting routes in your part of Europe please.=A0 Given
the Dutch</fixed>

<fixed> police</fixed>

<fixed> MB> affinity for speed traps that may not be in the
Netherlands but anywhere</fixed>

<fixed> MB> just outside your borders will be fine!!</fixed>


<fixed> That will come up later, the sun is shining, the battery is
charged (with an</fixed>

<fixed> Optimate Mike!) and in place again, so I'll be off for =
now!</fixed>


<fixed> And Gavin could you please crosspost this message to the US
list?</fixed>


<fixed> Thanks everyone,</fixed>


<fixed> Rob</fixed>

<fixed> The Netherlands</fixed>

<fixed> 1999 Red ST</fixed>

</excerpt>

Best regards


Gavin Lawrie

ST'03=

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