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Peckhammer!!!  Where the hell you been?  I thought you had long given up 
this place.

What you say is dead on correct.  I think Code has it right.  
Countersteering is where most all control is at.  Body steering, peg 
pressure certianly has it's place, but only in conjunction with 
countersteering input.

Interesting aside.  I spent two weeks in the NC mtns a few years back.  
After a few days I found that if I "thought" with my feet, that is, looked 
at, felt the road thru my feet as my primary point of reference, I went much 
faster.  I tried to explain the POV to a few folks and they thought I was 
crazy (not unfounded).  But really, if you can lower your reference point 
from your eyes to your feet, it can result in amazing gains in cornering 
speed.  It's kinda like driving a go kart vs. an SUV.



eL Donut
jinete en la tormenta

STeve Duncan
'00-Sprint-ST










eL Donut
jinete en la tormenta

STeve Duncan
'00-Sprint-ST







>From: "Peckham ." <peckhammer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ST] Steering Article
>Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:33:07 -0800
>
>
>>In fact a track day I attended (billed as an Advanced Street Riding
>>class) taught using the lower body to influence steering.  Hard for me to 
>>put
>>into words but it went something like "doing the twist" with only your 
>>lower
>>body while in the saddle.
>
>Influence is not the same as control.
>
>Depending on speed and objective (street vs. racing), you can be quite 
>effective with countersteering as your only input.  Remaining very neutral 
>(body-wise) with good countersteering will suffice in amost all street 
>situations.
>
>Other input, such as peg pressure, does have some effect.  Some of these 
>inputs are just round-about ways of countersteering.  Leaning causes the 
>frame and front end to move like a hinge -- which is the same action as 
>countersteering if you think about it -- although it is not as direct.  If 
>you want to have quick and precise results, then countersteering with the 
>bars is the best route. IOW, the quickest way to change direction is with 
>countersteering.
>
>Arguments can be made for peg pressure.  I am a trials rider and a lot of 
>the steering is done with peg pressure.  OTOH, while moving down a track on 
>an RS, which I have done, peg pressure with shifting of weight seems to 
>make abrupt counter steering less of a need.  I have attended Codes School, 
>as well as CLASS (Reg Pridmore). Code is more pure countersteering and Reg 
>is more body input.  I have found that a combination of the two approaches 
>is actually quite effective depending on the line you choose.
>
>Code and Pridmore have very different lines.  Code likes to go deep into 
>corners and give some serious countersteering input.  It works.  I've done 
>it like a Code Robot.
>
>Pridmore likes to take shallower lines -- almost like race cars.  This also 
>works, and I have done it.  The interesting thing to me was that strong 
>countersteering inputs on Pridmore's lines are not effective.  And, I would 
>assume that body inputs, sans strong countersteering inputs, on Code's 
>lines would be equally ineffective.
>
>>--
>Peckham
>
>
>
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