Re: [ST] BAD Cop.......

["Denis Liakos" <denoose@xxxxxxx>]

"Yeah...in situations like this there's almost always
some extenuating circumstance that, while not excusing
the behavior, at least helps to explain it"

No one's looking for an explanation.  What specific situation can you 
envision that would allow you to be so callous?

"We're then left
with unprofessional behavior that might have caused
some emotional trauma for the friend of the rider.  A
bad thing, to be sure, but something to end the guy's
career over?"

"emotional trauma for the friend of the rider?  The kid died. His dad was on 
"Today" this morning. The cop's getting a two week suspension, not 
"something to end his career"


The full story is pretty clear, based on the tapes of the call.  The 
circumstances surrounding the accident have nothing to do with the basic 
fact, which only is that the cop was completely lacking in a professional 
demeanor.  I appreciate your taking the time to express your point.  Make 
sure you put your panties in the wash when you take them off.


Rant mode off

Denis Liakos
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Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ST] BAD Cop.......


>A careful reader would note that I myself said that it
> does not excuse the cop's behavior.  I suppose we
> disagree that there can be no *explanation* for the
> behavior, as I can envision a situation that would
> drive a person to act like that.  Not, once again, to
> be perfectly clear, that he ever *should* act like
> that.
>
> As to his punishment, I think he certainly deserves
> some...but I think it should be proportional to the
> offense.  I agree, if his actions contributed to the
> rider's death, something much more serious should be
> given.  My understanding, at least, is that the
> ambulance was dispatched correctly.  We're then left
> with unprofessional behavior that might have caused
> some emotional trauma for the friend of the rider.  A
> bad thing, to be sure, but something to end the guy's
> career over?
>
> My point is that we don't know the full story, and
> that, often, the full story causes things to make a
> bit more sense than they initially seem.
>
> -A
>
> --- Denis Liakos <denoose@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>   No, I don't believe there are any circumstances
>> when a call to 911 should
>> be handled with anything less than professionalism
>> and urgency. The cop blew
>> it, period.  He was entrusted with a specific task
>> and couldn't complete it.
>> "Extenuating circumstances" may have contributed to
>> the victim's death.  How
>> would you like to be the person making the call as
>> you watch a friend or
>> loved one dying, and be told "too bad"?   What
>> bullshit, must we all fall
>> prey to being PC about everything?  Get
>> real....there's no explanation for
>> his behavior.
>>
>> Denis Liakos
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <aronnmail-list@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ST] BAD Cop.......
>>
>>
>> > Yeah...in situations like this there's almost
>> always
>> > some extenuating circumstance that, while not
>> excusing
>> > the behavior, at least helps to explain it.  Turns
>> it
>> > into a cop who was frustrated by the stupid
>> behavior
>> > of the rider and reacted badly rather than
>> somebody
>> > just being an asshole because they hate all bikers
>> or
>> > something.
>> >
>> > --- Bil Swartz <bil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> While there's no excuse for that kind of response
>> by
>> >> a 911 operator, trooper
>> >> or not, I think there may be more to this
>> story...
>> >>
>> >> The Today show aired a story on it this morning,
>> and
>> >> there was only one
>> >> picture of the lad shown on a bike.  It appeared
>> to
>> >> be a green ZX-something,
>> >> helmetless rider was standing on the pegs leaning
>> >> forward and I got the
>> >> impression it may have been "pre-stoppie".
>> >>
>> >> I'm jumping to a conclusion, but clues indicate a
>> >> group of kids out on
>> >> Incinerator Road "playing around".  Anyone know
>> the
>> >> area or group to find out
>> >> more?
>> >
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