Re: [ST] ABS

[Matt Heyer <mattheyer@xxxxxxxxx>]

I would say that it is a good thing. There's no real down-side, except if
you rely on it too much - and that's your own fault then. To have the
experience, but also have a system such as this for dealing with oil, water,
gravel, etc, and for when we screw-up (we're humans, we all do, no
exceptions) - that's pretty ideal.
 Matt Heyer


 On 10/11/05, Masiak, Richard <Richard_Masiak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> So then is ABS on motorcycles a good thing or a bad thing? OR
> Is this one of those subjective arguments like what oil to use or break-in
> techniques?
>
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> Quoting Emile Nossin <Emile@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > >From: simonb@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >don't think ABS would have made any difference, most ABS systems come
> in
> > far
> > >too early for maximum breaking.
> >
> > Well, that's not true in my experience and contrast to every ABS test I
> > read.
> > ABS, even when cycling fully, will nowadays (but also on my '92
> > ST1100ABSTCS),
> > especially in the wet, give you more deceleration (and without locking)
> > than any human can try to accomplish in real life (especially panic
> > situations).
>
> Lardy tourers and Harleys would probably do well with ABS. But there is
> still
> no substitute for experience. Technology in itself won't help.
>
> Good article on that here.
>
> http://www.unfallrekonstruktion.de/pdf/vuf_1993_motorcycle_englisch.pdf
>
> But it's a bit OTT.
>
> > I had ABS on my R1150GS which was a bit clunky but still able to brake
> > harder
> > than I could ever do (without locking up first).
>
> My mates first complaint was exactly the same thing. "I thought this ABS
> was
> supposed to make you stop quicker" that was just after the GSXR1000 in
> front
> of him had stopped moving and the GS rider was picking himself up off the
> ground. THe front wheel washed out sideways under heaavy breaking with
> ABS.
> ABS only works in the forwards direction. If under heavy breaking the
> front
> whhel want's to move sideways it still will, thus dumping you on the deck.
>
> "All I can remember about ABS is having no brakes due to the road
> conditions.
> And then the front sliding away."
>
> I let on other, also very
> > experienced, friends on the GS with the order to get the ABS activated
> on
> > the
> > front, while braking on dry asphalt. The first 3 times they couldn't get
> it
> > on,
> > the fear of locking up was initially too big. Here's an interesting
> test,
> > even though it's quite old already:
> > http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/abstests.html
> >
> > But in this case the maximum braking is not the issue, it's the bunch
> > or riders you see making skid marks and a couple where you actually see
> > them washing the front out from under them before they actually even
> > hit the guy in front of them. Maybe they would have still hit the guy,
> > if they'd had ABS. But that would be after they had a chance to
> decelerate
> > more, so with less speed, which greatly reduces kinetic energy to
> prevent
> > more serious injury. Sliding over the asphalt (especially in jeans and
> > sneakers) at high speed before you even had a chance to start braking
> > properly isn't going to improve any healing process...
> >
> > >They appear to be comming over a blind crest. Then realising they 30 ft
> to
> > >stop. It's the Harley I like. It just plows straight on regardless.
> >
> > Looks like a bridge, a sort of crest indeed. I guess they flew over the
> > bridge high speed, with little forward view because it's blocked by all
> > the bikes. Those first few bikes really went ballistic, wow. Do you know
> > how many were hurt? Anybody killed?
> >
> > Emile
> > www.piloot.com <http://www.piloot.com>
> >
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