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Re: [ST] FI simple or complecated (was Counter Rotating Brakes)



I am in complete agreement with you that FI is much easier for the end user / mechanic side. And it works better too. I agree that working on carburetors is much harder then FI. 
But that is because you do not work on FI systems. You replace parts until it works again; usually expensive parts. Thankfully FI only breaks very rarely.

The simple carb, that is very very hard to work on, usually still makes the motor run even if poorly. A broken FI's typical symptom is the motor does not run.

If two systems are equal, of coarse I want the simple one.
But if the complected system is better and very reliable, give me that one.

David W. Funk


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From: "Sprint ST" <sprint_st@xxxxxxxxxxx> 

> What I believe makes the FI seem so complicated is the complete system. The 
> ECU, sensors, coils, plugs and if you want the fuel pump may appear 
> complicated because they have to work together and when it was being 
> developed it was complicated. If you have a problem now your game boy tells 
> you what the problem is. It's almost like board swapping in computers. The 
> carb on my Toyota Land Cruiser in 1976 had 15 vacuum hoses coming out of it 
> to all kinds of pollution devices. It had a distributor for the electrics 
> and a sad coil system. Try trouble shooting that. The double pumper 
> Holly's and Rochester spread bores I ran on Chevy small blocks were also 
> fun. Finding the problem took a lot of time. My comment FI being less 
> complicated is based on that in this stage of development the FI system 
> really isn't that complicated for the end user / mechanic side. The 
> complications are in the system design. When you talk about the "simple 
> carb" with it's simple slide and float, you should have had to fix a set of 
> four manual slide Keihin's on a Kawasaki Z1 that one of which had a passage 
> way gummed up or the floats weren't set right or they were out of sync 
> (syncing those puppies was a pure joy to get right not just good enough for 
> govt work). It's all in perspective. From mine, it was much more difficult 
> to iron out problems and maintain the carb based systems than the new FI 
> systems because they almost tell what to do. The fix may be expensive, but 
> it is usually very well defined. 
> 
> Rod 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> 
> Subject: Re: [ST] Counter Rotating Brakes 
> 
> 
> 
> A simple Carb has a slide that goes up and down, plus the float which does 
> not move very much. So operationally a carb are very simple. 
> 
> 
> 
> While I have no problems with my Sprint ST, it is very easy for me to think 
> of things, lots of things, that would make it better. Until the actual, 
> usable performance of counter rotating brakes is know it is just an 
> interesting idea. I would like to know more. 
> 
> 
> David W. Funk 
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