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[ST] Top Box
Hello all,
Before I post on ebay/craig's list/classifieds/etc., I wanted to make an
offer on this list for anyone interested in a top box for an '01 BRG Sprint
ST, excellent condition, I bought it new in '02, have maybe used it 4 times
in total, $100 OBO, you pay for the freight (unless local). I can email
pictures for anyone interested.
I also have a grab handle available.
Regards,
Curt Sawyer
'01 BRG
St. Cloud, FL
clsawyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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4. Re: Scottoiler (simonb@xxxxxxxxxxx)
5. Re: Scottoiler (iPat)
6. Re: Scottoiler (iPat)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:33:48 +0000
From: "David Granath" <dave_r1150rt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ST] Scottoiler
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Have just bought a 2001 Sprint RS.
Want to fit a Scottoiler chain lube ststem? Anyone ever done it, any
problems.
I understand that Triumph are a bit sniffy about Scottoilers, although I
have no idea why?
Thanks
Dave G
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:03:40 +0000
From: "Chris Harwood" <Chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ST] Scottoiler
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Dave
Congrats on the purchase!
I haven't fitted a Scottoiler but have had one on my RS for the last 18K
miles. It's under the seat taking up a third of the available space. I do
have problems keeping it set up right and have to up the flow from time to
time when the chain looks too dry then back it of again later when the rear
rim is spattered with oil. Some mount them in front of the number plate
where they are more accessible and that would be less of a pain for me - key
out of ignition and undo the seat before the alarm arms itself bla bla. But
then some nasty piece of work might steal it?
I'm only a pleasure rider really so don't do the miles that bring it into
its own.
HTH
Chris Harwood
00 RS UK
>>> dave_r1150rt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 11/12/2006 07:33:48 >>>
Have just bought a 2001 Sprint RS.
Want to fit a Scottoiler chain lube ststem? Anyone ever done it, any
problems.
I understand that Triumph are a bit sniffy about Scottoilers, although I
have no idea why?
Thanks
Dave G
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:17:18 +0000
From: iPat <pmdavies@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ST] Scottoiler
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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i have a milenium edition...hee hee hee...ST and the scotoiler is
fitted ok. sits inside the ...whats the name of the bit where the
passenger foot peg is?.....doh!
seriously, no problems at all, has its limitations - only one side of
the chain is oiled and Emile will pop up with an alternative any
moment and a good url where he has pictures
(http://piloot.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/64036)
i think Triumphs concerns are over the new ST model rather than the old
ones.
>
> >>> dave_r1150rt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 11/12/2006 07:33:48 >>>
> Have just bought a 2001 Sprint RS.
>
> Want to fit a Scottoiler chain lube ststem? Anyone ever done it, any
> problems.
>
> I understand that Triumph are a bit sniffy about Scottoilers, although I
> have no idea why?
>
> Thanks
--
iPat
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:43:03 +0000
From: simonb@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ST] Scottoiler
To: st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Quoting Chris Harwood <Chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Dave
>
> Congrats on the purchase!
>
> I haven't fitted a Scottoiler but have had one on my RS for the last 18K
> miles. It's under the seat taking up a third of the available space. I
do
> have problems keeping it set up right and have to up the flow from time to
> time when the chain looks too dry then back it of again later when the
rear
> rim is spattered with oil. Some mount them in front of the number plate
> where they are more accessible and that would be less of a pain for me -
key
> out of ignition and undo the seat before the alarm arms itself bla bla.
But
> then some nasty piece of work might steal it?
>
> I'm only a pleasure rider really so don't do the miles that bring it into
> its own.
>
> HTH
I have one fitted to my St the tank is mounted on the electric extension
socket
bracket under the LHS of the fairing in front og your knee. The rest is
evident
from te pictures. There is no problem with only having one pipe as the lube
is
transfered to both side of the chain be the sprockets.
http://sportstourer.org/Sections-article27-p1.phtml
HTH
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:54:32 +0000
From: iPat <pmdavies@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ST] Scottoiler
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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living in the north east of Scotland, corrosion is an issue with the
amount of salt on the road. I tend to give the chain a lube 'outside
in' every now and then just to make sure. But otherwise im happy with
the scotoiler despite others concerns. If you type scotoiler into the
archives you will see theres been countless discussions that are of
interest.
On 12/11/06, simonb@xxxxxxxxxxx <simonb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There is no problem with only having one pipe as the lube is
> transfered to both side of the chain be the sprockets.
--
iPat
aberdeen
ST 00
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:54:32 +0000
From: iPat <pmdavies@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ST] Scottoiler
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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living in the north east of Scotland, corrosion is an issue with the
amount of salt on the road. I tend to give the chain a lube 'outside
in' every now and then just to make sure. But otherwise im happy with
the scotoiler despite others concerns. If you type scotoiler into the
archives you will see theres been countless discussions that are of
interest.
On 12/11/06, simonb@xxxxxxxxxxx <simonb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There is no problem with only having one pipe as the lube is
> transfered to both side of the chain be the sprockets.
--
iPat
aberdeen
ST 00
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:14:18 +0100
From: "Emile Nossin" <Emile@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ST] Scottoiler
To: <ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>From: iPat
>i have a milenium edition...hee hee hee...ST and the scotoiler is
>fitted ok.
>seriously, no problems at all, has its limitations - only one side of
>the chain is oiled and Emile will pop up with an alternative any
>moment and a good url where he has pictures
>(http://piloot.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/64036)
> >>> dave_r1150rt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 11/12/2006 07:33:48 >>>
> Have just bought a 2001 Sprint RS.
> Want to fit a Scottoiler chain lube ststem? Anyone ever done it, any
> problems.
Scottoiler and Triumphs have a history of vacuum connected problems,
at least according to the scottoiler site:
http://www.scottoiler.com/newsdetail.asp?newsID=25
There are two alternatives I would consider if I were you that are,
in my opinion, much better than the scottoiler. There is the pro-oiler
(as mentioned by iPat, see link above) made by an English guy living
in Belgium, as well as the German CLS Chain Lubrication System.
I have not had a scottoiler myself. I had a pro-oiler on my Sprint ST
and have now mounted myself a CLS Speed on my TDM900A:
http://piloot.smugmug.com/gallery/1862088
Here's a comparison of the three systems:
Scottoiler www.scottoiler.com
- Connects to vacuum system of bike to determine engine running.
- Drip is done by gravity
- Drip rate is dependent on flow screw
- No density / rate correction for speed, temperature change or weather
Pro-oiler www.pro-oiler.com
- Connects to battery and electronic speedo (or reed switch) to determine
engine running and speed
- Drip is done by electric oil pump
- Drip rate is regulated and corrected automatically by electronics
(which determines the operating sequence of the oil pump) and can be
adjusted while riding with electronic control in dash
- Automatic correction for speed, temperature. Weather correction (rain,
dust, salt) can, if needed, be done with control box in the dashboard /
on steering bar
CLS Speed / CLS 200 www.cls200.de / www.cls200.com (English)
- Connects to battery and reed switch (speed version) to determine
engine running and speed
- Drip is done by gravity
- Drip rate is regulated and corrected automatically by electronics
(which determines opening sequence of a magnetic switch-valve in the
control box) and can, if needed, be adjusted with a turn knob in dash
- Automatic correction for speed, temperature. Weather correction (rain,
dust, salt) can, if needed, be done with control box in the dashboard
(or elsewhere on the bike)
The main difference between both pro-oiler and CLS compared to the
scottoiler,
as you can see, is that they both correct for temperature and (CLS Speed
version) also for speed. These corrections have a significant effect on the
efficiency of the oilers, in comparison with the much more primitive
scottoiler.
As an example, the viscosity of the oil, when the temperature outside
changes
from 10 to 30 degrees Celsius (not very uncommon to happen within a few
hours
when riding in the mountains or on very clear summer days), changes 410%!
Even when the temperature changes from just 20 to 25 degrees C the oil flow
in a scottoiler will double. If you are riding up mountain passes there is
a big chance that a scottoiler won't drip anything anymore when higher up
because of the temperature decrease.
The same story about the speed of course. A scottoiler will drip X times
per minute, whether it's splitting lanes at 30 km/h (or even standing still)
or riding the Autobahn towards those Alps at 180 km/h. Dutch police have
used scottoilers (on Honda Transalp and such), but the guys end up with
a puddle of oil anytime they've finished writing their fines (engine and
radio still on).
The effect of the inefficiency of the scottoiler can easily been seen in
the oil usage (depending on settings and weather). If you have the huge
High Capacity Reservoir from scottoiler (400cc, almost a half liter bottle),
which usually is mounted externally behind the number plate because of its
size, you will have enough oil for 6000 to 12000 km. The CLS 200 / CLS speed
has a choice of bottles; 150ml / 250ml / 500ml. The 500 ml (also filled up
with around 400cc) will last ca. 22000 km. So that's 2 to 4 times longer
with the same oil! That translates into a much cleaner rear wheel, no oil
puddles under the bike and a small 250ml bottle under the saddle (the one
I'm using now) which should last at least 10.000 km (for the CLS). The CLS
package includes a liter of specially selected and tested oil which should
last around 50.000 km. I'm guessing that most scottoiler users are afraid
of running their chain dry and will set it too rich to be sure, so in
practice the oil usage might even be higher (I guess... don't know though).
So with a Pro-oiler or CLS (Speed) system you have the following advantages:
- Oil lasts around 3 times longer
- Cleaner rear wheel
- No oil puddles
- No running out of oil during mountain riding
- No running out of oil when the evening starts cooling the air
- Not oil waste when riding through heavy traffic
- No huge reservoir or refills needed for a weeks trip
- Ability to set richer or leaner setting even while riding
The difference between the Pro-oiler and the CLS Speed is smaller:
The pro-oiler is hugely customizable. You can, but unfortunately also have
to,
set all parameters for everything. It doesn't matter whether you are riding
a
mini bike or a dragster with a mile of chain, you can program it in there.
That's also a disadvantage because for the average person it is a very
complicated unit at first. Once it is all set though and once you have
learned which calibration table works best, you can forget about most
tweaking and just enjoy riding. Some people occasionally have problems
with the oil pump though, usually solved with a WD40 cleaning-blast
procedure.
The control box and wiring is also very customizable, meaning you have to
wire
and connect it yourself depending on how you wish to use the system and on
what
kind of speed measurement you choose to use. That also means the control box
is
not sealed and prone to corrode a bit, something I had a few problems with
until
I figured it out and cleaned the connections inside the control box. So the
pro-oiler wins if you want the ability to set everything according to your
whishes,
but it is not very user friendly to program and it is quite a job to install
and
connect. I'm not sure it would be easier with a scottoiler though since you
need to
connect that with engine parts.
The CLS Speed is very user friendly though and much more designed for the
actual practice of everyday, all weather riding (tested also by German guys
riding across the world off road). There is no oil pump to worry about
because
it works on gravity. There is only one control box with also incorporates
the
magnetic switch, which is very sturdy and completely sealed in synthetic
resin,
so it's weather proof as well. The oil reservoir is also more user friendly,
being able to mount horizontally. The switch, which can be mounted in the
dash,
is round, so just a small hole is needed. You can also mount it in between
frame
tubes or so, a holder is included if needed. There is also a very easy, yet
solid,
connecting plug in between the rotating switch and the cable in case you
need to
remove fairing pieces for maintenance. There is no programming needed since
the
settings are good for any normal motorcycle already. You only need to
initially
set the drip rate with a screw-flow-selector, depending on the temperature.
Once
set, the electronics will compensate for temperature and speed changes from
that
point on. The one armed dripping arm is also set up in a way that makes it
very
easy to adjust.
So the CLS is much easier to install, set up and operate. And it is more
durable thanks to its simplicity, without loosing on efficiency compared
to the Pro-oiler. I mounted the CLS myself on the TDM which wasn't very hard
as long as you're sure to route the oil line and reed-switch wire in a way
that it won't be stressed by the rear suspension or chain which depends
on the bike of course.
I asked the main CLS guy and designer Heiko, whom I met during an
international
V-storm gathering in eastern Germany, about the choice of 1 versus 2 drip
arms.
He was also very interested in the Pro-oiler system I had on my Sprint at
the
time (spring this year). I also asked him why pro-oiler uses regular motor
oil
but his CLS uses special oil. About the oil he says he tested a huge range
of
oils, including regular motor oil. But motor oil he found not sticky enough
and
too dirty in some ways, it would run of the chain cylinders quicker than the
oil he eventually chose. About the double arm he said it wasn't really
needed.
The capillary forces would make the oil stick on the cylinders in the chain
and
from there on the oil would flow out to cover the seals on both sides
between
those cylinders and the linking plates of the chain. He even said it didn't
really
matter to set the oiler richer in rain, since it would be lubed by water,
although
the oil still has a function to clean the dirt that comes with it from the
seals.
It's obvious he wanted a system that would have the best result but with the
most
simplistic and durable solution. I was impressed enough to consider the CLS
for
my next bike, which I eventually did a few months later, even though I was
pleased
overall with the pro-oiler.
All in all, all three systems incl the scottoiler will make sure your chain
lasts a lot longer and they'll in between chain maintenance (tensioning,
cleaning,
lubing etc) a thing of the past. The scottoiler is the most primitive system
by far and the most expensive as well since it uses special, expensive oil
and
a lot of it. The Pro-oiler and CLS are intelligent systems, making them much
more efficient and cleaner. My nudge goes to the CLS system, but I wouldn't
have
problems riding a ton of kilometers with a pro-oiler either. At least you
can make
a more informed decision now :-).
Emile
Almere, Netherlands
'06 Yamaha TDM900A GT
www.piloot.com
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:21:30 +0000
From: iPat <pmdavies@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ST] Scottoiler
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
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concisely put
: )))
On 12/12/06, Emile Nossin <Emile@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
........... At least you can make
> a more informed decision now :-).
--
Pat Davies
www.amag.org.uk
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:11:22 +0000
From: simonb@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ST] Scottoiler
To: st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061212171122.u06dcw0ogw04osco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Quoting Emile Nossin <Emile@xxxxxxxxxx>:
I use the Scotoiler. Mainly because ?I've not tested the others and the
Scotoiler is very reliable.
> >From: iPat
> >i have a milenium edition...hee hee hee...ST and the scotoiler is
> >fitted ok.
> >seriously, no problems at all, has its limitations - only one side of
> >the chain is oiled and Emile will pop up with an alternative any
> >moment and a good url where he has pictures
> >(http://piloot.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/64036)
> > >>> dave_r1150rt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 11/12/2006 07:33:48 >>>
> > Have just bought a 2001 Sprint RS.
> > Want to fit a Scottoiler chain lube ststem? Anyone ever done it, any
> > problems.
>
> Scottoiler and Triumphs have a history of vacuum connected problems,
> at least according to the scottoiler site:
> http://www.scottoiler.com/newsdetail.asp?newsID=25
>
> There are two alternatives I would consider if I were you that are,
> in my opinion, much better than the scottoiler. There is the pro-oiler
> (as mentioned by iPat, see link above) made by an English guy living
> in Belgium, as well as the German CLS Chain Lubrication System.
> I have not had a scottoiler myself. I had a pro-oiler on my Sprint ST
> and have now mounted myself a CLS Speed on my TDM900A:
> http://piloot.smugmug.com/gallery/1862088
>
> Here's a comparison of the three systems:
>
>
> Scottoiler www.scottoiler.com
> - Connects to vacuum system of bike to determine engine running.
> - Drip is done by gravity
> - Drip rate is dependent on flow screw
> - No density / rate correction for speed, temperature change or weather
>
> Pro-oiler www.pro-oiler.com
> - Connects to battery and electronic speedo (or reed switch) to determine
> engine running and speed
> - Drip is done by electric oil pump
> - Drip rate is regulated and corrected automatically by electronics
> (which determines the operating sequence of the oil pump) and can be
> adjusted while riding with electronic control in dash
> - Automatic correction for speed, temperature. Weather correction (rain,
> dust, salt) can, if needed, be done with control box in the dashboard /
> on steering bar
>
> CLS Speed / CLS 200 www.cls200.de / www.cls200.com (English)
> - Connects to battery and reed switch (speed version) to determine
> engine running and speed
> - Drip is done by gravity
> - Drip rate is regulated and corrected automatically by electronics
> (which determines opening sequence of a magnetic switch-valve in the
> control box) and can, if needed, be adjusted with a turn knob in dash
> - Automatic correction for speed, temperature. Weather correction (rain,
> dust, salt) can, if needed, be done with control box in the dashboard
> (or elsewhere on the bike)
>
> The main difference between both pro-oiler and CLS compared to the
> scottoiler,
> as you can see, is that they both correct for temperature and (CLS Speed
> version) also for speed. These corrections have a significant effect on
the
> efficiency of the oilers, in comparison with the much more primitive
> scottoiler.
>
> As an example, the viscosity of the oil, when the temperature outside
> changes
> from 10 to 30 degrees Celsius (not very uncommon to happen within a few
> hours
> when riding in the mountains or on very clear summer days), changes 410%!
> Even when the temperature changes from just 20 to 25 degrees C the oil
flow
> in a scottoiler will double. If you are riding up mountain passes there is
> a big chance that a scottoiler won't drip anything anymore when higher up
> because of the temperature decrease.
>
> The same story about the speed of course. A scottoiler will drip X times
> per minute, whether it's splitting lanes at 30 km/h (or even standing
still)
> or riding the Autobahn towards those Alps at 180 km/h. Dutch police have
> used scottoilers (on Honda Transalp and such), but the guys end up with
> a puddle of oil anytime they've finished writing their fines (engine and
> radio still on).
>
> The effect of the inefficiency of the scottoiler can easily been seen in
> the oil usage (depending on settings and weather). If you have the huge
> High Capacity Reservoir from scottoiler (400cc, almost a half liter
bottle),
> which usually is mounted externally behind the number plate because of its
> size, you will have enough oil for 6000 to 12000 km. The CLS 200 / CLS
speed
> has a choice of bottles; 150ml / 250ml / 500ml. The 500 ml (also filled up
> with around 400cc) will last ca. 22000 km. So that's 2 to 4 times longer
> with the same oil! That translates into a much cleaner rear wheel, no oil
> puddles under the bike and a small 250ml bottle under the saddle (the one
> I'm using now) which should last at least 10.000 km (for the CLS). The CLS
> package includes a liter of specially selected and tested oil which should
> last around 50.000 km. I'm guessing that most scottoiler users are afraid
> of running their chain dry and will set it too rich to be sure, so in
> practice the oil usage might even be higher (I guess... don't know
though).
>
> So with a Pro-oiler or CLS (Speed) system you have the following
advantages:
> - Oil lasts around 3 times longer
> - Cleaner rear wheel
> - No oil puddles
> - No running out of oil during mountain riding
> - No running out of oil when the evening starts cooling the air
> - Not oil waste when riding through heavy traffic
> - No huge reservoir or refills needed for a weeks trip
> - Ability to set richer or leaner setting even while riding
>
> The difference between the Pro-oiler and the CLS Speed is smaller:
>
> The pro-oiler is hugely customizable. You can, but unfortunately also have
> to,
> set all parameters for everything. It doesn't matter whether you are
riding
> a
> mini bike or a dragster with a mile of chain, you can program it in there.
> That's also a disadvantage because for the average person it is a very
> complicated unit at first. Once it is all set though and once you have
> learned which calibration table works best, you can forget about most
> tweaking and just enjoy riding. Some people occasionally have problems
> with the oil pump though, usually solved with a WD40 cleaning-blast
> procedure.
> The control box and wiring is also very customizable, meaning you have to
> wire
> and connect it yourself depending on how you wish to use the system and on
> what
> kind of speed measurement you choose to use. That also means the control
box
> is
> not sealed and prone to corrode a bit, something I had a few problems with
> until
> I figured it out and cleaned the connections inside the control box. So
the
> pro-oiler wins if you want the ability to set everything according to your
> whishes,
> but it is not very user friendly to program and it is quite a job to
install
> and
> connect. I'm not sure it would be easier with a scottoiler though since
you
> need to
> connect that with engine parts.
>
> The CLS Speed is very user friendly though and much more designed for the
> actual practice of everyday, all weather riding (tested also by German
guys
> riding across the world off road). There is no oil pump to worry about
> because
> it works on gravity. There is only one control box with also incorporates
> the
> magnetic switch, which is very sturdy and completely sealed in synthetic
> resin,
> so it's weather proof as well. The oil reservoir is also more user
friendly,
> being able to mount horizontally. The switch, which can be mounted in the
> dash,
> is round, so just a small hole is needed. You can also mount it in between
> frame
> tubes or so, a holder is included if needed. There is also a very easy,
yet
> solid,
> connecting plug in between the rotating switch and the cable in case you
> need to
> remove fairing pieces for maintenance. There is no programming needed
since
> the
> settings are good for any normal motorcycle already. You only need to
> initially
> set the drip rate with a screw-flow-selector, depending on the
temperature.
> Once
> set, the electronics will compensate for temperature and speed changes
from
> that
> point on. The one armed dripping arm is also set up in a way that makes it
> very
> easy to adjust.
>
> So the CLS is much easier to install, set up and operate. And it is more
> durable thanks to its simplicity, without loosing on efficiency compared
> to the Pro-oiler. I mounted the CLS myself on the TDM which wasn't very
hard
> as long as you're sure to route the oil line and reed-switch wire in a way
> that it won't be stressed by the rear suspension or chain which depends
> on the bike of course.
>
> I asked the main CLS guy and designer Heiko, whom I met during an
> international
> V-storm gathering in eastern Germany, about the choice of 1 versus 2 drip
> arms.
> He was also very interested in the Pro-oiler system I had on my Sprint at
> the
> time (spring this year). I also asked him why pro-oiler uses regular motor
> oil
> but his CLS uses special oil. About the oil he says he tested a huge range
> of
> oils, including regular motor oil. But motor oil he found not sticky
enough
> and
> too dirty in some ways, it would run of the chain cylinders quicker than
the
> oil he eventually chose. About the double arm he said it wasn't really
> needed.
> The capillary forces would make the oil stick on the cylinders in the
chain
> and
> from there on the oil would flow out to cover the seals on both sides
> between
> those cylinders and the linking plates of the chain. He even said it
didn't
> really
> matter to set the oiler richer in rain, since it would be lubed by water,
> although
> the oil still has a function to clean the dirt that comes with it from the
> seals.
> It's obvious he wanted a system that would have the best result but with
the
> most
> simplistic and durable solution. I was impressed enough to consider the
CLS
> for
> my next bike, which I eventually did a few months later, even though I was
> pleased
> overall with the pro-oiler.
>
> All in all, all three systems incl the scottoiler will make sure your
chain
> lasts a lot longer and they'll in between chain maintenance (tensioning,
> cleaning,
> lubing etc) a thing of the past. The scottoiler is the most primitive
system
> by far and the most expensive as well since it uses special, expensive oil
> and
> a lot of it. The Pro-oiler and CLS are intelligent systems, making them
much
> more efficient and cleaner. My nudge goes to the CLS system, but I
wouldn't
> have
> problems riding a ton of kilometers with a pro-oiler either. At least you
> can make
> a more informed decision now :-).
>
> Emile
> Almere, Netherlands
> '06 Yamaha TDM900A GT
> www.piloot.com
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:12:33 -0600
From: Jack Hays <rude@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ST] Merry Christmas
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I saved this from Steve Lawler a few years ago.
Subject: A Visit from St. Triumph
'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse;
The panniers were hung by the front door with care,
In hopes that St. Triumph soon would be there;
The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of carbon fiber danced in their heads;
And mamma in her leathers, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a long winter's nap,
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter.
After a night of too many hops and barley,
I prayed that the noise didn't come from a Harley.
The moon on the breast of the new fallen snow
Gave the luster of mid-day to objects below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature bike, with three cylindeer,
With a little old driver, so lively and spry,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Tri.
More rapid than eagles his partners they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;
'Now, LEGEND! now, T-BIRD! now, TRIPLE and TROPHY!
On, ST! on RS! on, TT and BONNIE!
To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall!
Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!'
As squids that before the policemen will fly,
When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky,
So up to the house-top the riders they flew,
With the bikes full of toys, and St. Triumph too.
And then, in a twinkling, I heard near the spire
The thumping and bumping of each little tire.
As I drew in my hand, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Triumph came with a bound.
He was dressed all in leather, not one lick of fleece,
And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and grease;
A pannier of toys he had at each side,
And he looked like a old friend just in from a ride.
His eyes -- how they twinkled! oh, what a delight!
His cheeks were like roses, his nose, a taillight!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And it looked like forks instead of legs below;
The stump of a tailpipe he held like a bugger,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a hugger;
He had a broad face and a little round belly,
That shook, when he laughed like a nasty old H-D.
He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his wrist,
Soon gave me to know I got what I wished;
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the panniers; then turned with a jerk,
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;
He sprang to his bike, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he rode out of town,
'HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, KEEP THE RUBBER SIDE DOWN'.
Jack Hays
972-952-5065
"I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon"
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:05:45 -0600
From: Jack Hays <rude@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ST] In a hurry?
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Jack Hays
972-952-5065
"I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon"
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:21:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Bil Swartz <bil@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ST] Genmar installation on '03 ST
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WOTL,
Running into a problem installing the right side Genmar, doesn't seem to
be enough brake line to raise the right clip-on to the riser's level.
Any tricks, tips or work-arounds before resigning to getting a longer
line? I'm stuck.
aTdHvAaNnKcSe,
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