Re: [ST] Kill switches

[Dave Bardell <dbardell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John,

I teach it, but I don't practice it.  I do preface it with " while you 
are in class, please use the "Thumb-Key" method."
I happened to bump my engine cut off switch the other day and never 
realized it kills the odometer numerals too -  thought I had battery 
problems for a moment!!
Dave Bardell

John Ulizzi wrote:

>Um, OK. IMHO, the bar mounted "kill" switch is for
>exactly that purpose, emergencies. ( I am now not sure
>what it does and does not shut down, and will of
>course have to investigate and do a comparison on all
>my bikes.) However, to me, it shouldn't matter since
>it is only used for emergencies. Now enter the MSF,
>who teaches new riders to always use the kill switch.
>This is totally moronic. Consequentally, on our group
>rides, once we shut down at a rest stop, I find my
>self walking from bike to bike turning off all my
>friends ignitions so they dont have dead batteries
>when it is time to get back on the road. I have missed
>one more than once, and then we have a dead battery in
>the group. And these damn guys never learn...and all
>of this because of MSF training. The funny thing is
>that this particular crowd I ride with arent
>newbies...they're instructors !!!
>
>:-)
>
>John
>
>--- Rob Brown <rcode94@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
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>
>>John and List,
>>
>>I didn't explain myself very well.  The red switch
>>on the right bar is
>>basically a kill switch.  It is supposed to be used
>>only in emergencies to
>>stop the engine.  The key is supposed to be used to
>>stop the engine under
>>normal circumstances.
>>
>>Reference: 2004 Sprint Owners Handbook, pg. 31 -
>>Emergency Stop Switch
>>
>>(Begin Quote)
>>NOTE:
>>* Although the engine stop switch stops the engine,
>>it does not turn off all
>>of the electrical circuits.  Ordinarily, the
>>ignition switch should be used
>>to stop the engine."
>>(End Quote)
>>
>>It has been discussed here a few times.  Using the
>>bar switch has been
>>compared to pulling the plug on a PC.  Don't know
>>how it applies to Macs. :)
>>
>>My personal opinion is Triumph should have designed
>>the system to use the
>>same switch on the right bar for normal shutdowns
>>and emergency shut downs.
>>It's a learned response to turn the key.  In an
>>emergency I don't want to
>>reach for the key when I should just move my right
>>thumb.
>>
>>  The SV650 I had used the bar switch to shut it
>>off.  That's my only other
>>EFI motorcycle reference.  Using the key may be much
>>more common now.
>>
>>I went out and tried to start the bike with the
>>emergency stop switch in the
>>off position.  It doesn't turn over.  I'm sure it
>>didn't last summer after I
>>dropped it either.  That must be why I thought the
>>battery was dead.
>>
>>-RoB Brown
>>
>>p.s. I the time it has taken me to go out and pus
>>the starter button and get
>>the owners manual the weather has gone from sunny to
>>dark and raining.  It's
>>been more then two weeks since I have been able to
>>ride.  Looks like I have
>>awhile more to wait.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Ulizzi [mailto:jaulizzi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 08:11
>>To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; rcode94@xxxxxxx
>>Subject: Re: [ST] Another low speed fall...
>>
>>
>>Rob,
>>
>>Okay, I'll bite ....what do you mean:
>>
>> " Second, I really don't like the way Triumph
>>decided
>>to use a kill switch instead of an off button."
>>
>>Seems to be one and the same, either way it kills
>>the
>>motor, and either way if you forget it, the motor
>>wont
>>start. Either way, it's still a "doh" on the part of
>>the user.....
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>Am I correct in the difference being one will allow
>>the motor to crank and one will not ?
>>
>>John
>>
>>
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