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Re: [ST] Back from the track...
- Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
- From: brettwilson21@xxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:30:06 -0400
I would love to do exactly what you're doing Matt, but toys are on the back burner for a while as I stash my cash to buy my first property. Of course then I will have a shed of my very own that I can fill with bikes! (Well its nice to dream) So keep those reports coming as I will be living vicariously through others for a while.
Brett.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Heyer <matthewheyer@xxxxxxxxx>
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
Yeah - that's the one. I've read that stuff too about it being a good
compromise. And after riding the R6, I can't imagine what a 1000 would be like!
It would take tons of throttle control in a turn, and the majority of tracks
don't even have the space to really let them loose. The fastest guys on the
track this Saturday were on 600's. I'm hoping I love it - it will be a HUGE
step-up from the Sprint.
Matt Heyer
----- Original Message ----
From: "Masiak, Richard" <Richard_Masiak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:51:57 AM
Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
Cool! That the gixxer with the extra set of wheels?
I saw a small review on TWT about track bike and they like the 750. I had
better low end and more HP than the 600's yet wasn't as beasty as the fire
breathing 1000's. A 1000, I've heard, really needs finess when opening the
throttle coming out of a turn where 600's and 750's are a bit more forgiving.
I bet you'll love it.
-----Original Message-----
From: st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Matthew Heyer
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:35 PM
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
I would LOVE to have a 675. Finances don't allow it... That bike would be
ideal on size, weight and power, and still be a Triumph. I do get comments
about representing the British bikes out there on the track, and that's cool.
I did pick up a 2002 GSX-R 750 today. Clear title, owned by a 61 year old, 6100
miles, Ohlins rear shock, frame sliders, spool lift and stands (front and back),
full Yoshimura exhaust with Yoshimura ESM (dyno tuned, and software and cables
included), spare bar ends, spare frame sliders, spare nose plastic, stock rear
shock, stock full exhaust, Vortex rear set, sport chock, passenger seat and
cowl, original manual plus Suzuki technician service manuals (guy worked at a
dealer part time), tank bag...really anything that he ever collected for the
bike - a lot of stuff from the dealership. Got it for $4900. I'm waiting on
him finding the stock wheels too for a little more. Now I start the track prep
- can't wait to get it out there.
Matt
----- Original Message ----
From: brettwilson21@xxxxxxx
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:05:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
Sounds like you rode the wheels off your ST Matt. Once you hone your track
skills some more on a Jap four, perhaps it will be time for a 675???
Brett
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Heyer <matthewheyer@xxxxxxxxx>
To: st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ST] Back from the track...
So I ran the snot out of the ST today up at Summit Point, WV raceway. I took
the past few days prepping the bike (no blinkers, mirrors, reflectors, "comfort"
items, etc). Trailered the bike up and ran 7 20-minute sessions. Now the ST is
a GREAT street bike, but I really found the limits of it today. Was grinding
bits like crazy, and even unweighted the bike getting on it hard out of a turn
(setting up another rider to pass getting a better drive - I was leaned over,
well off the bike, lots of weight on the inside foot peg, and trying to get on
the gas and keep the bike turning). Heard the rear end start to scream/screech
(what a terrible sound), the rear started coming around...and some how I was
able to recover with a dramatic almost highside, tank slapper and all, and a
shot to the nuts to boot - ouch! But I as able to stand it up, somehow stay on
top/over/on the bike, let the bars do their crazy thing, run it into the grass,
and safely brake off the track.
The instructors said my form and lines were good, and that the bike was on the
edge (they could see many bit touching down through the corners). They
suggested that I get myself of real race bike to be able progress any further.
So one of the control riders let me take out his fully track prepped R6 for the
last session - all I can say is "WOW"! Now this things was dyno tuned with tons
of after market parts, and is mapped to run on race fuel (and was - what a
smell!). I had to re-learn all of my shift points, and the noise and feel of
the 4-cylinder, and the noises the engine makes, but shifting that thing at 15k+
is really something else. The front end gets light coming out of the corners at
full throttle, and the shifts make the bars wiggle - I finally see why the
really put steering dampers on bikes. I got used to it, especially in one
particular section where you are coming out of a full lean right turn, start to
stand up and really get on the gas, and then there
is a kink to the left - and right at the kink is where the bike needs to shift
at 15.5k. Again - all I can say is WOW!
I really think it was beneficial to run something like the ST, and truly find
the bikes limits. I think it really makes me appreciate the next level of bike,
and understand the real differences (not just all the tech talk).
The ST is a great steed, and it is more than anyone can safely use on the road.
For the track, the pegs are way too low (also ruined a new pair of boots with my
feet that low - ground right through the tow slider and the sole after the 6
sessions - 7th was on the R6, and I wasn't getting those aftermarket rearsets to
touch down....). I really did feel the weight of the bike in the turns too, and
suspension short-comings, and some pretty bad brake fade by the end of the day.
Just to clarify, this is not an ST bash - for from it - finding the limits
consistently turn after turn makes me realize how good the bike is. Especially
because the bike can still cover long miles in comfort with luggage. I am
rather just sharing my experience, and thoughts from it. I am however looking
at some track bikes this week (2001 R1, 2003 R6, 2002 GSX-R 750). I will
hopefully have one all set up for my return to the track in a few weeks (Pocono
Raceway here I come - finally a track run counter-clockwise)
And in closing - man this sh!t is fun!!! Everyone should do it, and it makes me
re-evaluate road riding. Oh yeah, and one last thing. There was a guy from the
Albany, NY running in the beginner group on a yellow RS. Made the trip all the
way down to run the two tracks at Summit Point. Good thing - he saved my canopy
when it tried to blow away during one of my sessions. Really nice guy, but he
had no idea what this site is!?!?!!
Matt Heyer
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