Re: [St] New Avon Storms

[John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I beg to differ with me too...I just looked at the 021 on the front of my RS, and with about 2000 miles on it, it is almost toast! Now this I do not understand...I put new front and rear at the same time, and front usually last 1 1/2 - 2 rears. The rear is fine, just beginning to get a little squared off from the slab commute to where the good roads are, but the front is within a 1/32nd of the wear bars at the 10 and 2 o'clock positions. I have never had a front last half as long as a back. And this is the same tire that did not stick as well as the Storm from yesterdays conversation...

Confused in n e ohio


--- On Wed, 9/10/08, JES_VFR <jes_vfr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: JES_VFR <jes_vfr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [St] New Avon Storms
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:49 PM
> At 06:33 AM 9/10/2008, John wrote:
> >Shane,
> >
> >Short story. You will love the performance of the
> Storms, but not 
> >the mileage.
> 
> Well I beg to differ here John, as I got great mileage out
> of both my 
> sets of storms. Now I had them on my VFR. When I bought it
> had 
> dunflops, that felt like rock, chattered and wiggled in
> turns and 
> were scarey. The rear took a large nail at 600 miles and
> was replaced 
> with a Qualifier. It also felt like a rock, chattered and
> wiggled 
> like it was on oil in turns. I got about 400 on it and had
> the rear 
> slide badly while traversing a well banked off ramp (you
> know the 
> kind that are marked for 30mph, but banked so well that
> taking them 
> at 65 should be effortless. I ditched it quickly since I
> figured that 
> any tire that would slide in that curve when I only going
> 35 was 
> going to kill me.
> I bought a set of Avon azaros, loved them and was getting
> great 
> mileage out of them (about 5000 at both ends and plenty of
> tread 
> left), when I got another nail, this one bent badly as was
> driven in 
> so the belt was bubbled on interior surface and the tire
> unpatchable.
> I bought my first set Storms then and rode the heck out of
> them. I 
> mean I rode in everything with them without a complaint
> (even a 
> surprize snow storm).
> I had nearly 9000 on the set when I again fell victim to
> nails (Okay 
> the front had a drywall screw in it, the back had two of
> those screw 
> nails for crates). I probably still had another 1500-2000
> miles on 
> them though.
> 
> I'd have to check right now to see exactly what the
> mileage on the 
> storms on the VFR have right now (since it is sitting in
> the 
> warehouse at work waiting for parts from a hit an run).
> But I can tell you this, I'm torn between putting
> another set of 
> Storms or a set of viper sports on my RC51. It really
> can't wait much 
> longer as the lazertec on the front is starting to slide
> and the 
> crappy (and too wide) shinko on the rear has me skidding
> the rear 
> tire up to every 6/10th effort stop.
> 
> 
> >Long story. I bought a pair of Storms and a pair of
> 021s for both 
> >bikes last summer. I needed a rear on my Superhawk, put
> the Storm on 
> >it, running off a Bridgestone 014 on the front. Liked
> the Storm 
> >immediatley, enough to wonder how good the front will
> be, but I 
> >doubt it will last 4000 miles. Spooned the 021s onto my
> RS earleir 
> >this season. Like them alot. The RS came with 020s, and
> worked well 
> >with them. A few years ago I got a real good deal on
> three pairs and 
> >a couple extra rears of 010s, 012s, and 014s. Was
> fighting with the 
> >RS the entire time, hate those, will never go back. At
> 22,000 miles 
> >on the RS, I spooned on the 021s and changed the fork
> oil, and she 
> >is back to normal. I thought the 021s were
> great...until yesterday. 
> >I'll get back to that.
> >
> >Finally ran off the front 014 on the Superhawk, put the
> new Storm on 
> >it. Rode the bike for the first time on Sunday with
> Storms fore and 
> >aft, albeit the rear is pretty worn. LOVE THEM!. Last
> night I washed 
> >both bikes, and I take my bikes out for a little spin
> after washing 
> >to "blow dry" them. I had had a conversation
> with a riding buddy 
> >about brakes and braking on Sunday, so I did a little
> experiment. 
> >First on the SH, on a secluded street in my
> neighborhood, I made 
> >progressivley harder and harder stops, front brake
> only, from about 
> >10mph or less. It didnt take long to get the rear tire
> in the air. 
> >Now understand I am not a wheelie or stoppie guy, and
> stopping that 
> >hard scares me, but I was trying to verify some things
> my friend had 
> >said about braking in general over the weekend. This is
> the first 
> >time I have ever raised the rear wheel off the ground,
> and we are 
> >talking inches, not feet. I did it 3-4 times, same
> result each time, 
> >launching a little
> >  further each time. OK, enough abuse to the
> suspension. Went and 
> > washed the RS. Took it out to blow dry. Tried the same
> thing. 
> > Locked the front wheel and skidded. Thank God I was
> going slow. 
> > After a few attempts, I finally got it's back tire
> up a few inches, 
> > but what a difference. The Storms on the SH never lost
> traction or 
> > squealed, it slowed, and when braking overcame
> inertia, back end 
> > came off the ground. The 021s on the RS squealed,
> slithered, broke 
> > traction, and when braking overcame inertia they would
> skid before 
> > they raised the back end. And mind you, the RS has WAY
> better 
> > brakes than the SH.
> 
> I've heard comments like this before about 'stones,
> which is why I'm 
> not anxious to try them.
> I must admit that I am considering the Pirelli diablos as a
> second 
> choice for the RC51 as a street tire. I have ridden a set
> on a VFR 
> and was able to brake with the same confidence that the
> avons yield 
> on my big heavy, linked brake equipped VFR.
> 
> >Is this a fair comparison? You tell me. Tires are the
> same size, 
> >rims are the same size, bikes a within a few pounds of
> one another, 
> >similar in scope,geometry, intended purpose. Yeah,
> wheelbase is a 
> >bit longer on the RS, but its not a Goldwing...or a
> Hayabusa, for 
> >that matter. Same stretch of pavement.
> >
> >Anyway, that's my two cents for what it is worth,
> anyone else feel 
> >free to chime in. I wanted to answer Shanes inquiry
> specifically, 
> >but am curious as to other's opinions on my little
> experiment.
> >
> >Shane, mileage wise, like I said, less than 4k on the
> rear Storm, no 
> >data on the front. On 021s I would usually get 5k out
> of a rear, 7k 
> >out of a front, or therabouts...
> >
> >John
> 
> Shane, all I can tell you is this. My VFR is heavier than
> you 
> triumph, yet I ride it hard. It will lift the rear tire
> doing stops 
> all day long with no tire problems, and I have never slid
> the front 
> end with the Storms either.
> And I get much better mileage out of my Storms than I ever
> did with a duncrap.
> 
> Is this an apples to apple comparison? No, but I feel it is
> a fair 
> evaluation of a tire intended for your bike and mine.
> 
> YMMV.
> 
> 
> 
> JohnS
> A Dragon Ascending
> "Forging my body in the Fires of my Will"
> 
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