Re: [St] New Avon Storms

["marc Ve" <daytona955.marc@xxxxxxxxx>]

I just fitted an 021 on the back of my Daytona, a 190, which is the
recommended size for that rim.

I still have the 015 on the front, as it is still good for a few thousand
kms.

The 015 back was sweet handling, but evaporated in 4000 odd kms, wore
completley square. Great track tyre, terrible for high speed touring.

I've heard from two guys that their 021;s have worn equally front and back,
which must mean the 021 front is softer than the 020 it replaced.

They also said the 021 doesnt "cup" like the 020 and 010 used to.

My 015 is showing no sign of cupping.

I've hear good things about the mix of handling and wear on the 021, some
guys I know do track days on them.


cheers


Marc

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:03 AM, John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I beg to differ with me too...I just looked at the 021 on the front of my
> RS, and with about 2000 miles on it, it is almost toast! Now this I do not
> understand...I put new front and rear at the same time, and front usually
> last 1 1/2 - 2 rears. The rear is fine, just beginning to get a little
> squared off from the slab commute to where the good roads are, but the front
> is within a 1/32nd of the wear bars at the 10 and 2 o'clock positions. I
> have never had a front last half as long as a back. And this is the same
> tire that did not stick as well as the Storm from yesterdays conversation...
>
> Confused in n e ohio
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, JES_VFR <jes_vfr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > From: JES_VFR <jes_vfr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: [St] New Avon Storms
> > To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:49 PM
> > At 06:33 AM 9/10/2008, John wrote:
> > >Shane,
> > >
> > >Short story. You will love the performance of the
> > Storms, but not
> > >the mileage.
> >
> > Well I beg to differ here John, as I got great mileage out
> > of both my
> > sets of storms. Now I had them on my VFR. When I bought it
> > had
> > dunflops, that felt like rock, chattered and wiggled in
> > turns and
> > were scarey. The rear took a large nail at 600 miles and
> > was replaced
> > with a Qualifier. It also felt like a rock, chattered and
> > wiggled
> > like it was on oil in turns. I got about 400 on it and had
> > the rear
> > slide badly while traversing a well banked off ramp (you
> > know the
> > kind that are marked for 30mph, but banked so well that
> > taking them
> > at 65 should be effortless. I ditched it quickly since I
> > figured that
> > any tire that would slide in that curve when I only going
> > 35 was
> > going to kill me.
> > I bought a set of Avon azaros, loved them and was getting
> > great
> > mileage out of them (about 5000 at both ends and plenty of
> > tread
> > left), when I got another nail, this one bent badly as was
> > driven in
> > so the belt was bubbled on interior surface and the tire
> > unpatchable.
> > I bought my first set Storms then and rode the heck out of
> > them. I
> > mean I rode in everything with them without a complaint
> > (even a
> > surprize snow storm).
> > I had nearly 9000 on the set when I again fell victim to
> > nails (Okay
> > the front had a drywall screw in it, the back had two of
> > those screw
> > nails for crates). I probably still had another 1500-2000
> > miles on
> > them though.
> >
> > I'd have to check right now to see exactly what the
> > mileage on the
> > storms on the VFR have right now (since it is sitting in
> > the
> > warehouse at work waiting for parts from a hit an run).
> > But I can tell you this, I'm torn between putting
> > another set of
> > Storms or a set of viper sports on my RC51. It really
> > can't wait much
> > longer as the lazertec on the front is starting to slide
> > and the
> > crappy (and too wide) shinko on the rear has me skidding
> > the rear
> > tire up to every 6/10th effort stop.
> >
> >
> > >Long story. I bought a pair of Storms and a pair of
> > 021s for both
> > >bikes last summer. I needed a rear on my Superhawk, put
> > the Storm on
> > >it, running off a Bridgestone 014 on the front. Liked
> > the Storm
> > >immediatley, enough to wonder how good the front will
> > be, but I
> > >doubt it will last 4000 miles. Spooned the 021s onto my
> > RS earleir
> > >this season. Like them alot. The RS came with 020s, and
> > worked well
> > >with them. A few years ago I got a real good deal on
> > three pairs and
> > >a couple extra rears of 010s, 012s, and 014s. Was
> > fighting with the
> > >RS the entire time, hate those, will never go back. At
> > 22,000 miles
> > >on the RS, I spooned on the 021s and changed the fork
> > oil, and she
> > >is back to normal. I thought the 021s were
> > great...until yesterday.
> > >I'll get back to that.
> > >
> > >Finally ran off the front 014 on the Superhawk, put the
> > new Storm on
> > >it. Rode the bike for the first time on Sunday with
> > Storms fore and
> > >aft, albeit the rear is pretty worn. LOVE THEM!. Last
> > night I washed
> > >both bikes, and I take my bikes out for a little spin
> > after washing
> > >to "blow dry" them. I had had a conversation
> > with a riding buddy
> > >about brakes and braking on Sunday, so I did a little
> > experiment.
> > >First on the SH, on a secluded street in my
> > neighborhood, I made
> > >progressivley harder and harder stops, front brake
> > only, from about
> > >10mph or less. It didnt take long to get the rear tire
> > in the air.
> > >Now understand I am not a wheelie or stoppie guy, and
> > stopping that
> > >hard scares me, but I was trying to verify some things
> > my friend had
> > >said about braking in general over the weekend. This is
> > the first
> > >time I have ever raised the rear wheel off the ground,
> > and we are
> > >talking inches, not feet. I did it 3-4 times, same
> > result each time,
> > >launching a little
> > >  further each time. OK, enough abuse to the
> > suspension. Went and
> > > washed the RS. Took it out to blow dry. Tried the same
> > thing.
> > > Locked the front wheel and skidded. Thank God I was
> > going slow.
> > > After a few attempts, I finally got it's back tire
> > up a few inches,
> > > but what a difference. The Storms on the SH never lost
> > traction or
> > > squealed, it slowed, and when braking overcame
> > inertia, back end
> > > came off the ground. The 021s on the RS squealed,
> > slithered, broke
> > > traction, and when braking overcame inertia they would
> > skid before
> > > they raised the back end. And mind you, the RS has WAY
> > better
> > > brakes than the SH.
> >
> > I've heard comments like this before about 'stones,
> > which is why I'm
> > not anxious to try them.
> > I must admit that I am considering the Pirelli diablos as a
> > second
> > choice for the RC51 as a street tire. I have ridden a set
> > on a VFR
> > and was able to brake with the same confidence that the
> > avons yield
> > on my big heavy, linked brake equipped VFR.
> >
> > >Is this a fair comparison? You tell me. Tires are the
> > same size,
> > >rims are the same size, bikes a within a few pounds of
> > one another,
> > >similar in scope,geometry, intended purpose. Yeah,
> > wheelbase is a
> > >bit longer on the RS, but its not a Goldwing...or a
> > Hayabusa, for
> > >that matter. Same stretch of pavement.
> > >
> > >Anyway, that's my two cents for what it is worth,
> > anyone else feel
> > >free to chime in. I wanted to answer Shanes inquiry
> > specifically,
> > >but am curious as to other's opinions on my little
> > experiment.
> > >
> > >Shane, mileage wise, like I said, less than 4k on the
> > rear Storm, no
> > >data on the front. On 021s I would usually get 5k out
> > of a rear, 7k
> > >out of a front, or therabouts...
> > >
> > >John
> >
> > Shane, all I can tell you is this. My VFR is heavier than
> > you
> > triumph, yet I ride it hard. It will lift the rear tire
> > doing stops
> > all day long with no tire problems, and I have never slid
> > the front
> > end with the Storms either.
> > And I get much better mileage out of my Storms than I ever
> > did with a duncrap.
> >
> > Is this an apples to apple comparison? No, but I feel it is
> > a fair
> > evaluation of a tire intended for your bike and mine.
> >
> > YMMV.
> >
> >
> >
> > JohnS
> > A Dragon Ascending
> > "Forging my body in the Fires of my Will"
> >
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