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RE: Any R1100RS owners?
- Subject: RE: Any R1100RS owners?
- From: "Sam Taylor" <set2@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:16:29 -0700
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I'm sorry, I just have to ask...you've owned 3 RTs, 3RSs, and 2 Rs??????.
In at most 6 years?
But back to ME: I've had an R1100RS since 1994. It now has 80,000 miles on
the clock. I've had lots of problems, but most were fixed under the (then)
3 year, UNLIMITED mileage warranty. BMW NA has since dropped that to 3year,
36,000 miles. I would consider this a drawback vs. the Sprint (2 year,
unlimited) as I tend to put on the miles.
That said, the RS is a marvelous bike. She seems a bit heavy these days in
the mountains (which is why I lurk here--I'm considering a Sprint to
supplement, not to replace). But for cross-country touring, I think she
can't be beat....the RT has better wind protection but looks, well,
stodgy(ier), and is 50 pounds heavier, to boot. The GS is, oddly, heavier
and to my eye is ugly. The RS can do anything either of them can do, short
of serious off-road, due to its "buttersoft rims".
So why do I post this on the ST site? 'Cause, as I said, I've grown
infatuated with that triple. For me, as a second bike, it's between the
Sprint ST, the new RS, and the Speed triple. Either way, the BMW RS gets
relegated to the long tours---where it will alway shine.
Ever faithful,
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Keith
Formosa
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:25 PM
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Any R1100RS owners?
Erik,
Excellent summary and analysis. Having owned 3 RTs, 3 RSs and 2 Rs, I can
certainly agree with your viewpoint. I have had my my ST since Aug 23 and
now have almost 9000 kms on the bike and just appreciate its flexibility and
character more and more with each kilometre.
Cheers
Keith Formosa
Toronto, Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: Erik Miner
To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Any R1100RS owners?
My $.02 worth: I've owned two BMW oilheads both R11RT's , the RT is
pretty much the same bike as the RS except that it has the larger fairing
and comes standard with a rear rack and hard bags. The R1100 series are
great bikes except for a couple of fundamental design flaws. First and worst
is a low speed surging problem with the fuel injection. The bike, at light
throttle settings will not hold a steady speed they kinda buck, or surge if
you will. Some R11's are worse than others. On some it's almost un
noticeable. On some it's terrible. BMW has been aware of this problem for a
long time but has chosen to do nothing about it! The current generation of
R11's seems to have corrected this problem. The main fix was two fold. First
a newer engine management system ( Motronic 2.4 vs the 2.2 on older R11's of
which the R11RS is one of ) and a new style exhaust system designed to
smooth out the engines pulses and let the O2 senor see a smoother exhaust
flow. The other problem with older R11's is the gear box. They shift like
shit. Yes some are better than others but as a whole very clunkly. Again the
fix in the new bikes is a new six speed box designed by Gertrag, light years
better! Other new bits on the new bikes: A hydraulic clutch, new lighter
telelever, revised paralever, and revised switch gear. The first of the new
generation boxers the R1100S seems to have cured all the problems of the
previous generation, although there are still reports of a few that surge.
The newest boxer the R1150GS has been getting great press and maybe the best
all around BMW boxer yet. ( although a few reports of surging have cropped
up already) The main reason for the surging issue in the BMW boxers is that
BMW have chosen to make the bikes run VERY lean. These are probably the
"greenest" bikes out there ( standard catalytic converters on all models)
The only other know problems with the boxers and most BMW's is a tendency to
pull to the right. This can be attributed to both natural torque pull, and
the extra weight of the shaft and swing arm on the right side of the bike.
Also an R11RS will cost you a good 3K more than an ST, and will most likely
be discontinued after the 99 model year. As everyone has so far commented
the best thing for you to do is ride both, they are very, very different
bikes.
Erik
At 05:53 PM 10/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
I'm purchasing a new bike in the next couple of weeks and have it
narrowed
down to a 1999 R1100RS and a 1999 (or possibly a Y2K Sapphire Blue)
Triumph
Sprint ST. Frankly, at this point, I love both bikes but can't afford
both -- kinda like the wife and girlfriend, but that is another story
;-)
...
On the one hand, the Triumph is cheaper, faster, etc. On the other,
the
Beemer has ABS, Telelever, Paralever, shaft drive, etc. Both are
great
sport/touring machines but come at it from different angles...hence
the
dilemma.
So I am posting this to both the BMWMC list and the Sprint ST list:
care to
share any comments/experiences with your bikes that could help me
break the
tie so I can get out and ride? Thanks in advance.
ChrisG
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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sorry, I just have to ask...you've owned 3 RTs, 3RSs, and 2 =
Rs??????. In=20
at most 6 years?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D210210704-07101999>But=20
back to ME: I've had an R1100RS since 1994. It now has =
80,000 miles=20
on the clock. I've had lots of problems, but most were fixed under =
the=20
(then) 3 year, UNLIMITED mileage warranty. BMW NA has since =
dropped that=20
to 3year, 36,000 miles. I would consider this a drawback vs. the =
Sprint (2=20
year, unlimited) as I tend to put on the miles.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D210210704-07101999>That=20
said, the RS is a marvelous bike. She seems a bit heavy these days =
in the=20
mountains (which is why I lurk here--I'm considering a Sprint to =
supplement, not=20
to replace). But for cross-country touring, I think she can't be=20
beat....the RT has better wind protection but looks, well, stodgy(ier), =
and is=20
50 pounds heavier, to boot. The GS is, oddly, heavier and to my =
eye is=20
ugly. The RS can do anything either of them can do, short of =
serious=20
off-road, due to its "buttersoft rims".</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D210210704-07101999>So why=20
do I post this on the ST site? 'Cause, as I said, I've grown =
infatuated=20
with that triple. For me, as a second bike, it's between the =
Sprint ST,=20
the new RS, and the Speed triple. Either way, the BMW RS gets =
relegated to=20
the long tours---where it will alway shine.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D210210704-07101999>Ever=20
faithful,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D210210704-07101999>Sam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx=20
[mailto:owner-st@xxxxxxxxxx]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Keith =
Formosa<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:25 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Any R1100RS=20
owners?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Erik,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Excellent summary and analysis. Having owned 3 =
RTs, 3 RSs=20
and 2 Rs, I can certainly agree with your viewpoint. I have had my my =
ST since=20
Aug 23 and now have almost 9000 kms on the bike and just appreciate =
its=20
flexibility and character more and more with each =
kilometre.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Keith Formosa</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Toronto, Canada</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:axeis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; =
title=3Daxeis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Erik=20
Miner</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"=20
title=3DST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 06, =
1999 4:48=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Any R1100RS =
owners?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D3>My $.02 worth: I've owned two =
BMW oilheads=20
both R11RT's , the RT is pretty much the same bike as the RS except =
that it=20
has the larger fairing and comes standard with a rear rack and hard =
bags.=20
The R1100 series are great bikes except for a couple of fundamental =
design=20
flaws. First and worst is a low speed surging problem with the fuel=20
injection. The bike, at light throttle settings will not hold a =
steady speed=20
they kinda buck, or surge if you will. Some R11's are worse than =
others. On=20
some it's almost un noticeable. On some it's terrible. BMW has been =
aware of=20
this problem for a long time but has chosen to do nothing about =
it! =20
The current generation of R11's seems to have corrected this =
problem. The=20
main fix was two fold. First a newer engine management system ( =
Motronic 2.4=20
vs the 2.2 on older R11's of which the R11RS is one of ) and a new =
style=20
exhaust system designed to smooth out the engines pulses and let the =
O2=20
senor see a smoother exhaust flow. The other problem with older =
R11's is the=20
gear box. They shift like shit. Yes some are better than others but =
as a=20
whole very clunkly. Again the fix in the new bikes is a new six =
speed box=20
designed by Gertrag, light years better! Other new bits on the =
new=20
bikes: A hydraulic clutch, new lighter telelever, revised paralever, =
and=20
revised switch gear. The first of the new generation boxers the =
R1100S seems=20
to have cured all the problems of the previous generation, although =
there=20
are still reports of a few that surge. The newest boxer the R1150GS =
has been=20
getting great press and maybe the best all around BMW boxer =
yet. (=20
although a few reports of surging have cropped up already) The main =
reason=20
for the surging issue in the BMW boxers is that BMW have chosen to =
make the=20
bikes run VERY lean. These are probably the "greenest" bikes out =
there (=20
standard catalytic converters on all models) The only other know =
problems=20
with the boxers and most BMW's is a tendency to pull to the right. =
This can=20
be attributed to both natural torque pull, and the extra =
weight of the=20
shaft and swing arm on the right side of the bike. Also an R11RS =
will cost=20
you a good 3K more than an ST, and will most likely be discontinued =
after=20
the 99 model year. As everyone has so far commented the best thing =
for you=20
to do is ride both, they are very, very different=20
bikes.<BR><BR><BR>Erik<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 05:53 PM =
10/4/99 -0400,=20
you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite" cite>I'm purchasing a new bike in the next =
couple=20
of weeks and have it narrowed<BR>down to a 1999 R1100RS and a 1999 =
(or=20
possibly a Y2K Sapphire Blue) Triumph<BR>Sprint ST. Frankly, =
at this=20
point, I love both bikes but can't afford<BR>both -- kinda like =
the wife=20
and girlfriend, but that is another story ;-)<BR>...<BR><BR>On the =
one=20
hand, the Triumph is cheaper, faster, etc. On the other,=20
the<BR>Beemer has ABS, Telelever, Paralever, shaft drive, =
etc. Both=20
are great<BR>sport/touring machines but come at it from different=20
angles...hence the<BR>dilemma.<BR><BR>So I am posting this to both =
the=20
BMWMC list and the Sprint ST list: care to<BR>share any=20
comments/experiences with your bikes that could help me break =
the<BR>tie=20
so I can get out and ride? Thanks in=20
advance.<BR><BR>ChrisG<BR><BR><BR> * =
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